One More Scene From A Town Hall Meeting

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Obama has a town hall meeting in Portsmouth New Hampshire today, and the nuts are out in full force.

Get this:  MSNBC this morning caught a live shot of a man with a gun in a holster.  No, he is not a law enforcement person; he’s one of the protesters.  And the sign he’s carrying?  It’s got that famous Jefferson quote on it: “”The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

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MSNBC was told by local police that the guy with the gun has a legal permit to carry, and he’s nowhere near where Obama will be, and he’s under constant surveillance.

Still…..

UPDATE:  The Obama town hall meeting was televised; seemed to be civil (invited participants and heavy police guard probably helped)

Scenes From Yesterday’s (and Today’s) Town Hall Protests

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And up in Alaska…

And earlier today, at Spector's rally in Pennsylvania…

And here's how Fox News' Megyn Kelly interpreted what you just saw:

"And there you have it. An extraordinary showing out of Pennsylvania. As we watched for the past hour non-stop, an informed, articulate, and very concerned group of American people take their questions directly to their elected representative, Senator Arlen Specter, who they attempted to put on his heels with some very tough questioning. This is American democracy at work. This will not provide fodder for those who describe these folks as angry mobs or dismiss them as un-American. It will however provide a lot of fodder for debate."

Oh, really?

And also, Rep. David Scott (D-GA) had a wildly contentious town hall meeting last week.  Today, he discovered that his district office in Smyrna, Georgia, was vandalized with a four-foot swastika.

“Death Panels” Are NOT A Myth

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I stand corrected.

"Death panels", the kind of thing Sarah Palin was warning us about with Obama's health care reform, actually do exist.

Here's Southern Beale's response to Palin:

You, dear lady, are an idiot.

In your free market wonderland everyone somehow manages to get healthcare, even those who are poor or live in isolated areas, though the poor and isolated in your own state required assistance from the federal government.

And despite all of this, you appear blithely unaware that the free market healthcare system we have now does, indeed, have “death panels.” I’ve been part of a death panel conversation. I know about death panels.

You have no idea what it’s like to be called into a sterile conference room with a hospital administrator you’ve never met before and be told that your mother’s insurance policy will only pay for 30 days in ICU. You can't imagine what it's like to be advised that you need to “make some decisions,” like whether your mother should be released “HTD” which is hospital parlance for “home to die,” or if you want to pay out of pocket to keep her in the ICU another week. And when you ask how much that would cost you are given a number so impossibly large that you realize there really are no decisions to make. The decision has been made for you. "Living will" or no, it doesn't matter. The bank account and the insurance policy have trumped any legal document.

If this isn’t a “death panel” I don’t know what is.

Health Care Punditry Of The Day

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From Investor's Business Daily, we find this gem.  The editorial starts out by lamenting that Obama's health care plan will transform us into what they have in Great Britain:

The controlling of medical costs in countries such as Britain through rationing, and the health consequences thereof are legendary. The stories of people dying on a waiting list or being denied altogether read like a horror movie script.

The U.K.'s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) basically figures out who deserves treatment by using a cost-utility analysis based on the "quality adjusted life year."

One year in perfect health gets you one point. Deductions are taken for blindness, for being in a wheelchair and so on.

The more points you have, the more your life is considered worth saving, and the likelier you are to get care.

People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

Here's how you know the editorial board of Investor's Business Daily is either lying or stupid: Stephen Hawking was born in the UK and has spent his entire life there.  Yet, he has had, and continues to have, rather extraordinary and innovative health care.

Way to undermine your own point, morons.

White House Rolls Out Website Debunking Health Care Myths

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Read it here.

Here's a video from that website, addressing the "deather" issue:

Nice to see a little pushback.

Sadly, I don't think it will change many people's minds.  Those who are opposed health care reform do it, I believe, because it is coming from Obama.  So they're not likely to believe a website coming from Obama.  They'll believe Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

Health Care Opponent Asking For Donations For His Health Care (Subtitle: Beat Me In St. Louis)

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Last week, there was a nasty incident where a rightwing opponent of health care reform named Kenneth Gladney was supposedly injured by SEIU members at a town hall meeting in St. Louis.  

You can watch the video.  Gladney was clearly pulled to the ground during the fracas.  But just as clearly, he bounced back up quickly, and is seen walking around soon after without any obvious injuries.

Gladney later went to the hospital, claiming to have sustained injuries to his "knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face".  His attorney has argued that Gladney was beaten during the fight, but there's nothing in the clip to support that.   So there's ample reason for skepticism, despite the fact that he's become a cause celebre for the right.

But let's set that aside.  There's more to the story.  There was an anti-healthcare rally held in St. Louis this weekend. Gladney appeared in a wheelchair, but did not speak.  His lawyer did, however.  And something interesting came out, according to this news report:

His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. "A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too." Brown read. "This should never happen in this country."

Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance.

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Wait – what?!?

This guy was (literally) fighting against a health care plan that would, among other things, make sure that people who get laid off still have health insurance (FUN FACT: 14,000 Americans lose their health insurance everyday)…. and now he's asking for donations from conservative supporters because he got laid off and has no health insurance?

This is a classic example of how uninformed conservatives seem to take positions which defeat their own self-interest.

Palin Makes Sense (Sort Of) In Her Follow-up Facebook Post

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Hey, I can give credit where credit is due.  Here's what she wrote yesterday:

"There are many disturbing details in the current bill that Washington is trying to rush through Congress, but we must stick to a discussion of the issues and not get sidetracked by tactics that can be accused of leading to intimidation or harassment….. Such tactics diminish our nation’s civil discourse which we need now more than ever because the fine print in this outrageous health care proposal must be understood clearly and not get lost in conscientious voters’ passion to want to make elected officials hear what we are saying. Let’s not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us."

She's making sense here, but in context, it's a trifle odd.

On Friday, she posted that Obamacare would include "death panels" which would, among other things, kill her Down's Syndrome baby.

Yet yesterday, she warns against "diminish[ing] our nation's civil discourse.

It's kind of like throwing gas on a camfire, and then saying "Whoa, let's not make the fire any bigger."

RELATED:  Sarah Palin might be interested to know what Down's Syndrome-related organizations think about the need for health care reform

By the way, she's not walking back from her previous statement.  She's not changing her argument that Obama is planning to form "death panels"; she's just saying that the right wing "tactics" in respose should be more civil.

Four Game Sweep

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I just couldn't bear to watch the game last night.  7 innings of sheer boredom followed by a couple innings of heartbreak.

The Yankees won the game, and swept all four games of the series, putting them 6.5 games in front of the Red Sox in the A.L. East.

And what's worse, the Red Sox's commanding lead for the Wild Card spot is now challenged.

Wake me up when it's September.

Making The Rounds

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I've seen varients of this before.  Apparently, it is making a resurgance:

Thoughts From A Conservative Idiot

This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the U.S. Department of Energy.

I then took a shower in the clean water provided by a municipal water utility.

After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC-regulated channels to see what the National Weather Service of the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration determined the weather was going to be like, using satellites designed, built, and launched by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.

I watched this while eating my breakfast of U.S. Department of Agriculture-inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

At the appropriate time, as regulated by the U.S. Congress and kept accurate by the National Institute of Standards and Technology and the U.S. Naval Observatory, I get into my National Highway Traffic Safety Administration-approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal Departments of Transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the Environmental Protection Agency, using legal tender issued by the Federal Reserve Bank.

On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the U.S. Postal Service and drop the kids off at the public school.

After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the Department of Labor and the Occupational Safety and Health administration, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and Fire Marshal's inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.

And then I log on to the internet — which was developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Administration — and post on Freerepublic.com and Fox News forums about how SOCIALISM in medicine is BAD because the government can't do anything right.

Conservative Reponse To Palin’s “Death Panel” Comment

Ken AshfordElection 2012, Health Care, RepublicansLeave a Comment

Mostly, they think she's crazy.

On "Meet the Press" this morning, David Brooks called Palin's attack "crazy," adding that "the crazies are attacking the plan because it will cut off granny. That is simply not true, that simply is not going to happen."

Similarly, Rep. Jack Kingston (R) of Georgia, who no one has ever considered a moderate, told Bill Maher there's nothing to Palin's attack. "It's a scare tactic," Kingston said. "No question about it."

Even some political reporters who shy away from drawing firm conclusions have acknowledged the facts. The Washington Post's Dan Balz said this morning, "It's not the way to debate this bill, and it's another example of Sarah Palin having difficulty figuring out how to enter into a serious debate about issues."

One notable exception:

Newt Gingrich told a national television audience this morning that Sarah Palin's "death panel" argument is fair and legitimate.

"Fair and legitimate"?  How so?

Sarah “Quit Making Things Up And Leave My Son Alone” Palin Makes Things Up, Using Her Son As An Example

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Here's part what the former governor wrote on her Facebook page yesterday:

As more Americans delve into the disturbing details of the nationalized health care plan that the current administration is rushing through Congress, our collective jaw is dropping, and we're saying not just no, but hell no!

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course.

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

Good God.  Where to begin?

First things first — this has to be one of the most mindnumbingly stupid things ever said in this health care debate (and believe me, there's a lot of competition for that honor).  She's done something I wouldn't have thought possible: lower the bar on the GOP discourse.  It's so low now, I can't even see it anymore.

So, there's that

Now, let's recall that on the day she left the governorship, Palin chastized the media for "making things up".  I believe her exact words were:

"So how about in honor of the American solider you quit making things up?

And yet, here she is talking about a "death panel" which will decide who shall live and die, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society" merits health care.  As Time's Karen Tumulty noted, "Yes, such a system would indeed be downright evil. Which is why no one is proposing anything like it. Let's repeat: No one is proposing anything like it."

So, there's that, too: By her own standards, Sarah is dishonoring the military

Needless to say, you can comb any of the health care bills floating out there and find nothing about death panels — nothing even remotely like that.  NOTHING.  So much for Americans who "delve" into the health care issue.  Apparently, Sarah isn't delving at all. 

Of course, if Katie Couric were to ever ask Sarah what page of what bill has this "death panel" provision, Palin would whine about unfair librul media asking her "gotcha" questions. 

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UPDATE: It looks like some ABC News did ask —

Asked specifically what the former governor was referring to when painting a picture of an Obama "death panel" giving her parents or son Trig a thumbs up or down based on their productivity, Palin spokeswoman Meghan Stapleton responded in an email: "From  HR3200 p. 425 see 'Advance Care Planning Consultation'."

That's a curious reading of page 425 of the House Democrats' bill, which refers to “advance care planning consultation,” defined as a senior and a medical practitioner discussing “advance care planning, if…the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years.”

This includes an “explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to,” an “explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses,” and an “explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.”

It directs the medical provider to give the patients “a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning,” and an explanation “of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title,” as well as “an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders.”

In other words, giving the elderly information on living wills and hospice care is what Sarah Palin means when she talks about "death panels" who could kill Trig.

Another fun fact?  This provision of the bill was the brainchild of a Republican, Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine.

Nice work, Jake Tapper, for not only asking then question and for giving the Palin camp's response, but for doing your job as a journalist and pointing out why Sarah's interpretation is, well, nuts.  Back to original post….

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By the way, you have to admire how Sarah uses her Down's Syndrome baby, Trig, as a political prop.  And here I was thinking that her kids should be treated "hands off".  But there she is, not only using her child, but using her child to prop up a political lie.

The level of stupidity goes even deeper.  As publius notes

"[T]here are people who weigh whether children like Trig are worthy of insurance. They're called insurance companies, and they have decided that these children are not in fact worthy of coverage. That's because Down Syndrome is a 'pre-existing condition.'"

In any other era of modern political history, Palin's Facebook comment would end her political career.  It would expose her as one of two things:

For Palin to write such a statement for public review makes clear that she's either conspicuously unintelligent or she thinks her followers are idiots. Either she believes her own vile nonsense or she assumes her audience is foolish enough to believe patently ridiculous attacks.

So she's either a liar/manipulator or an idiot.  No matter which way you slice it, however, she has gone from joke to national embarassment.

And yet she remains relevant because hers is today's face of the Republican Party, which is a party that is not only without any ideas, but is quickly finding that it no longer represents mainstream American values of progress, community, fairness and inclusion.

And so, what is left of the Republican Party is a party of fear, hatred and irrationality.

As such, the dwindling of the Republican Party into a party of misanthropes
is a significant loss for America.

[For a compelling response to other comments made by Palin on her Facebook (which I don't even address here), you must read the thoughtful "Have You No Decency?" essay by Harold Pollack, a professor at the University of Chicago School of Social Service Administration and Special Correspondent for The Treatment.]

A viable healthy democracy demands a health exchange of ideas – on all sides of the political fence.  Some Republicans, like David Frum, get this:

What would it mean to “win” the healthcare fight?

For some, the answer is obvious: beat back the president’s proposals, defeat the House bill, stand back and wait for 1994 to repeat itself.

The problem is that if we do that… we’ll still have the present healthcare system. Meaning that we’ll have (1) flat-lining wages, (2) exploding Medicaid and Medicare costs and thus immense pressure for future tax increases, (3) small businesses and self-employed individuals priced out of the insurance market, and (4) a lot of uninsured or underinsured people imposing costs on hospitals and local governments.

We’ll have entrenched and perpetuated some of the most irrational features of a hugely costly and under-performing system, at the expense of entrepreneurs and risk-takers, exactly the people the Republican party exists to champion.

Not a good outcome.

Even worse will be the way this fight is won: basically by convincing older Americans already covered by a government health program, Medicare, that Obama’s reform plans will reduce their coverage. In other words, we’ll have sent a powerful message to the entire political system to avoid at all hazards any tinkering with Medicare except to make it more generous for the already covered.

If we win, we’ll trumpet the success as a great triumph for liberty and individualism. Really though it will be a triumph for inertia. To the extent that anybody in the conservative world still aspires to any kind of future reform and improvement of America’s ossified government, that should be a very ashy victory indeed.

Frum does not favor "Obamacare", but he doesn't see the point to the Republican's current goal, which is to prevent change of any kind.

Unfortunately, Frum's message to his fellow Republicans has no chance of being heard over the shouting and scare tactics of his fellow Republicans.

How will this end?

Well, if swiftboating is any clue, this will end up in a defeat for health care reform.  Ultimately, Americans will come to regret that.  Even, I bet, many of those now doing the loudest protesting.