Trump weighed in just before Mueller was sworn in —
NO COLLUSION, NO OBSTRUCTION!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2019
It is an hour and a half into Mueller’s testimony before the House Judiciary and Intelligence Committee and it is clear that Democrats are very organized, getting lots of information out by asking “Isn’t true [quote from report], is that correct” questions. Mueller simply replies “yes” and the next question goes on. It’s not the most exciting, as theatre goes, but it gets information out.
Republicans, on the other hand, are going off on tangents — talking about the Steele Dossier and Fusion GPS and Peter Strzok– and grandstanding. As I type this, Jim Jordan (R-OH) is complaining about Joseph Mifsud, who supposedly “started the whole investigation” by talking to Papadopoulos and saying that the Russians had dirt on Hillary Clinton. Papadopoulos told the Australian Ambassador this, and that got the FBI involved.
Mueller’s response to these Republican questions is that the question is out of his purview, because Barr is holding an investigation into the genesis of L’Affaire Rusee. Which is the correct response, but not a dramatic one.
.@RepSteveChabot‘s questioning illustrates a vulnerability of Mueller’s strategy of sticking to his report — it allows Republicans to push conspiracy theories without any pushback pic.twitter.com/xavIlQpmpF
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 24, 2019
We knew that Mueller was most likely to stick to simple yeses and nos. That was the case back when he was FBI Director, when he had a lot more leeway to say whatever he wanted. What is more surprising to me is that he seems disinclined to defend his investigation in general terms or even his personal integrity. That strikes me as odd.
These could both be true: Robert Mueller isn’t a dazzling or dynamic or even a particularly compelling witness at a congressional hearing; and his report, along with his testimony, is entirely truthful and damning.
— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) July 24, 2019
The restrictions set down by the DOJ have hurt both Democrats and Republicans. Several of the top GOP reps were intent on asking process questions, or questions about the origins of the investigation, that Mueller is simply not going to answer. That’s put Republicans in the position of either just repeating all their own material, yelling at Mueller, or both
But the headline might have already been written: Trump has not been exonerated. This all came at the beginning —
Here’s the moment that will get played over and over:
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 24, 2019
Nadler: “Did you actually totally exonerate the president?”
Mueller: “No.”
Via ABC pic.twitter.com/3zG8a6S2Z0
“Does your report state there is sufficient factual and legal basis for further investigation of potential obstruction of justice by the President?” — Lee
— Tim O’Brien (@TimOBrien) July 24, 2019
“Yes.” — Mueller#MuellerHearing
In the first minutes of Robert Mueller’s testimony, Democrats had achieved a basic aim: contradicting Donald Trump’s claims of innocence.https://t.co/jEte4dn5W0
— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) July 24, 2019
Other testimony of note:
Really important.
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 24, 2019
Mueller just flatly confirmed that he did not make a determination on bringing charges *because* of the OLC regulation precluding it.
OK, here is the clip. I construed this as saying Mueller believes he already has enough to indict once Trump is beyond the protection of the OLC memo.
— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 24, 2019
Others construed it differently. I welcome your thoughts. https://t.co/iiR9IjdbqM
Noteworthy: Mueller says “yes” when asked whether Trump could be charged with obstruction of justice after he leaves office.
— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) July 24, 2019
Trump submitted a tweet now–
“This has been a disaster for the Democrats and a disaster for the reputation of Robert Mueller.” Chris Wallace @FoxNews
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2019
Not sure Chris Wallace is right on this. I will say that hearing Mueller on the radio is different from seeing him on television. On TV, he looks whipped and tired and defeated. He’s not DEFENDING his report as much as I would like.
This 👇 doesn’t do House Democrats any favors, presuming they’re hell bent on uncovering evidence to impeach POTUS. But to extent Mueller’s testimony won’t further fan flames of impeachment, maybe he is unwittingly doing them a favor. => https://t.co/kffj3uutkY
— David M. Drucker (@DavidMDrucker) July 24, 2019
And we have another Trump tweet. It’s worth noting, however, that Mueller testified a bit earlier that obstruction does not have to be successful to be considered a crime.
“Mueller was asked whether or not the investigation was impeded in any way, and he said no.” In other words, there was NO OBSTRUCTION. @KatiePavlich @FoxNews
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2019
The essence of the Republican argument is that the President really should not have been investigated since he could not be indicted. And if he must be investigated the public shouldn’t learn anything about what was discovered unless there was an indictment, which of course can’t happen.
Back to the hearing…
One of most important moments in #MuellerHearing.👇
— Ryan Goodman (@rgoodlaw) July 24, 2019
Rep. Lesko (R-AZ) then tried to get Mueller to walk back his response to @tedlieu, and Mueller declined. Lesko even asked Mueller to reconfirm his joint statement with Barr (which would have helped Lesko). Mueller declined. https://t.co/sqVK5hjwIi
Mueller just he “would generally agree” that Trump administration’s lack of cooperation made investigation more difficult.
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) July 24, 2019
DEMINGS: “Is it fair to say then…that LIES by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation?”
— Rep. Carlos G Smith (@CarlosGSmith) July 24, 2019
MUELLER: “I would generally agree with that.” pic.twitter.com/6Hk58eKLNM
This is interesting….
Democrats finally get their question about Trump Jr. Dem Rep. Joe Neguse of Colorado asked whether the president’s eldest son or his lawyers ever communicated any intent to invoke the 5th amendment.
“I’m not going to answer that,” he said.
Why did he refused to answer?
And….
DEMINGS: “Is it fair to say then…that LIES by Trump campaign officials and administration officials impeded your investigation?”
— Rep. Carlos G Smith (@CarlosGSmith) July 24, 2019
MUELLER: “I would generally agree with that.” pic.twitter.com/6Hk58eKLNM
… but boy he comes close.
Unless I’ve missed it, not a single Republican has challenged Mueller’s documented narrative of the president’s repeated attempts to shut down and undermine his investigation.
— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) July 24, 2019
They are hitting him on legalities, biases, his authority to investigate, etc. — but not the facts.
House Judiciary questioning is over. Break for lunch, and then comes the House Intelligence Committee, questioning about Russian election interference.
Rep. Eric Swalwell on @MSNBC: “It’s not being disputed by the other side. They’re disputing the process, but no one’s disputing that the president went to great lengths to make this investigation go away.”
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 24, 2019
Much as I hate to say it, this morning’s hearing was a disaster. Far from breathing life into his damning report, the tired Robert Mueller sucked the life out of it. The effort to save democracy and the rule of law from this lawless president has been set back, not advanced.
— Laurence Tribe (@tribelaw) July 24, 2019
Shorter every bad television pundit: OK, a sitting president is clearly implicated in multiple crimes, but was it _exciting_?
— Hunter (@HunterDK) July 24, 2019
Mueller, predictably, just corrected what he said to Rep. Lieu about the OLC opinion. What he meant to say is that the investigators did not reach a conclusion about whether Trump obstructed justice.
— Shane Harris (@shaneharris) July 24, 2019
Mueller clarifies that he was not saying he didn’t charge Trump with obstruction of justice because of the OLC opinion barring indictment of a sitting president. He was saying it precluded him from making a decision on whether Trump should be charged.
— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) July 24, 2019
And now the House Intel Committee:
Schiff: And when Donald Trump called your investigation a witch hunt also a lie. A hoax, also a lie?
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 24, 2019
Mueller: yes.
Schiff: And when he told it to Putin, also false.
Mueller: That I’m not familiar with.
SCHIFF’s line of questioning touches upon Trump trying to make money on Russia business dealings, Russia wanting Trump to win the election & informing Trump campaign officials of that, Russia committing crimes to help Trump win, & Trump campaign officials lying to cover it all up pic.twitter.com/cwBLMXKrVO
— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 24, 2019
Mueller seems more animated with the Intel Committee. It is not focusing on obstruction but on the Trumpian involvement with Russia interference.
Asked if Trump’s comments praising Wikileaks during the campaign are disturbing, Mueller says “problematic is an understatement” and adds they could offer “some boost to what is and should be illegal activity.”
— Peter Baker (@peterbakernyt) July 24, 2019
Mueller just agreed that Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort was vulnerable to Russian blackmail because of his scheme to trade secrets for money with an oligarch very close to Putin.#MuellerHearings
— Grant Stern (@grantstern) July 24, 2019
This is pretty clear. Mueller thought Trump would slow walk him in the courts for months or years if he subpoenaed him. In other words, what he's now doing with the House.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 24, 2019
Mueller says that many aspects of FBI CURRENTLY looking into issues of Trump blackmail.
— emptywheel (@emptywheel) July 24, 2019
Mueller confirms that the FBI is *currently* looking into Trump associates vulnerabilities to Russian blackmail.
— Mieke Eoyang (@MiekeEoyang) July 24, 2019
Possible legal reasons:
— Ari Melber (@AriMelber) July 24, 2019
There isn’t a DOJ OLC rule hanging over this hearing, and Vol 1 didn’t find a US election conspiracy.
Mueller may feel “freer” to discuss what Trump did wrong here, without it being construed as an indictment-style conclusion.
A key moment at the end of the #MuellerHearing
— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) July 24, 2019
Schiff: “I gather you believe knowingly accepting foreign assistance during a presidential campaign is an unethical thing to do.”
Mueller: “And a crime in given circumstances."
Schiff: "…also unpatriotic."
Mueller: "True." pic.twitter.com/2DAvT9VEbQ
3:30 pm. And we’re done. But for the press coverage and spin.
Bottom line: No incriminating statements. No dramatic sound bites. No fodder for political ads urging public support for impeachment. Nothing to clear an embattled president. At the end of the day, when all was said and done, the politics of the Mueller investigation is as muddled as it was when the hearings started.
Well, I think it's fair to say that Mueller did not give Speaker Pelosi any motivation to support the initiation of impeachment proceedings.
— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 24, 2019
And this asshole…
TRUTH IS A FORCE OF NATURE!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2019