Emma Gonzalez, a student at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, had a simple question for National Rifle Association (NRA) national spokesperson Dana Loesch during CNN’s gun violence town hall: “Do you believe that it should be harder to obtain the semi-automatic … weapons and the modifications for these weapons to make them fully automatic, like bump stocks?”
Instead of providing the NRA’s well establishedpositions on these questions, Loesch gave a series of dishonest explanations that sought to hide the NRA’s fringe absolutism against gun regulation.
After some niceties, Loesch purported to answer Gonzalez’s question by saying, “I don’t believe that this insane monster should have ever been able to obtain a firearm, ever. I do not think that he should have gotten his hands on any kind of weapon. That’s number one.”
According to Loesch, “This individual was nuts and I, nor the millions of people that I represent as a part of this organization, that I’m here speaking for, none of us support people who are crazy, who are a danger to themselves, who are a danger to others, getting their hands on a firearm.”
Loesch was lying.
The NRA opposes adding prohibiting categories to the gun background check system that could have included the Stoneman Douglas gunman. As the NRA’s website states, “NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop criminals from getting firearms.” It also opposes a policy called a “Gun Violence Restraining Order” or a “Red Flag” law that has been widely cited as a policy that could have stopped the gunman from having access to firearms. These laws allow family members and law enforcement to petition courts to temporarily remove people’s access to firearms who are a danger to themselves or others.
Loesch’s dishonesty didn’t stop with that claim. Moments later, while talking about the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS), Loesch said, “It is not federal law for states to report convictions to the NICS system. It’s not federally mandated.” Loesch also argued that the states can convict a person, they “can adjudicate the mentally unfit,” but “if a state does not report it to the National Crime Information Center, when you run that form, this individual — this madman passed a background check.” (NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre also used this talking point in his February 22 speech at CPAC.)
What Loesch failed to mention is that states can’t be required to report disqualifying records because of the outcome of a 1997 NRA-backed lawsuit Printz v. United States.
The lawsuit was the NRA’s attempt to invalidate the entire national background check system in court before it could be implemented. While the system eventually went into effect, the outcome of Printz damaged its effectiveness, as the Supreme Court ruled in a 5-4 decision in favor of the NRA’s argument that requiring states to perform background checks for a federal system violated the 10th Amendment.
The ruling also had implications on whether states can be required to submit disqualifying records into the background check system. As the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence explains, “Federal law cannot require states to make information identifying people ineligible to possess firearms available to the federal or state agencies that perform background checks” because “case law suggests that a federal statute requiring states to disclose records to the FBI would violate the Tenth Amendment” due to the Printz ruling.
So far, none of Loesch’s answers were actually about semi-automatic weapons or bump stocks. Gonzalez then interceded to say, “I think I’m gonna interrupt you real quick and remind you that the question is actually, do you believe it should be harder to obtain these semi-automatic weapons and modifications to make them fully automatic, such as bump stocks?”
Loesch didn’t mention semi-automatic weapons, but offered some muddled comments about bump stocks and said, “So, that answers your question.” (The organization has a deceitful position on the issue that decreases the chances they will be eventually banned.)
The NRA had a responsibility to offer straightforward, honest statements about gun policy at CNN’s gun violence town hall, but instead what Loesch offered were lies and spin.
School teachers carrying firearms and readied for gun battles in grade school classrooms is a level of social pathology that signals the end of any viable, coherent society. Travel such a path, and the barbarism and fearmongering of the American abattoir can only accelerate.
Trump is clearly just throwing this our there. Even if 20% of the teachers are trained, who pays for the training AND the guns AND the “bonus” salary? We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of teachers where, in most states, there is little enough money for schoolbooks. Is the White House going to impose it on the states? Has anyone run the numbers?
Trump suggests "a little bit of a bonus" for trained teachers who are armed, throwing out 10%, 20% and 40% as possible percentages of teachers who might be qualified. Also: "You can't hire enough security guards… Your need 100, 150 security guards.”
Last night’s “town hall” on CNN was riveting. The students asked better questions than the adults, and I’m not the only one to note that they would not allow the responder to filibuster or waiver. For example, student Emma Gonzalez asked NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch, “Do you believe that it should be harder to obtain the semi-automatic and – – weapons and the modifications for these weapons to make them fully automatic like bump stocks?”
Loesch talked for several things for several minutes (how she feels the student’s pain, mental illness, etc) before Emma interrupted politely but forecfully: “I think I’m gonna interrupt you real quick and remind you that the question is actually, do you believe it should be harder to obtain these semi-automatic weapons and modifications to make them fully automatic, such as bump stocks?”, and incredibly, she got a direct two sentence answer (well, pretty close to a direct answer – Loesch said she was there to represent the NRA’s 5 million members, not offer her opinion, but she did comment on the fact that the ATF is looking into bump stocks).
Marco Rubio was eaten alive, especially in trying weasel his “no” response to the direct question of whether he would refuse NRA campaign contribution. That said, the students gave him credit for showing up all, which I suppose is true (although technically, it’s his job since they are his constituents).
All in all, my biggest take-away was that if these kids are representative of the future, I’m highly optimistic and hope I’m around to see what happens.
But again, the most tension-filled moments were when the NRA, in the form of Loesch, took the stage. Normally, an incendiary speaker, Loesch was toned down significantly for this stage. Twice this year, Loesch has come under criticism from a range of viewers, including a few gun owners, who say her public service announcements about the purported left-wing war on decent Americans have crossed the line.
A June video shows clips of protests and riots with Loesch warning of a societal collapse while ominous music plays in the background.
“They use their media to assassinate real news,” she warns. “They use their schools to teach children that their president is another Hitler. They use their movie stars and singers and comedy shows and award shows to repeat their narrative over and over again.”
“The only way we stop this, the only way we save our country, and our freedom,” she concludes, “is to fight this violence of lies with a clenched fist of truth.”
But that Loesch was not there last night. Clearly, she prepared to go full force on mental illness and avoid any discussion of bans on guns, or fixing loopholes with background checks, or raising the age limit for gun buyers to 21.
She shared the “panel” with Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, a remarkable man who called on Loesch at one point, interjecting: “You just told this group of people you’re standing up for them. You’re not standing up for them until you say, ‘I want less weapons.’ ”
The crowd roared in approval. Loesch sat silently, her hands folded in her lap.
This morning, speaking before CPAC, Loesch spoke again. Talking of last night, she reminded conservatives that the real victim last night was her. “I had to have a security detail to get out,” Loesch said, speaking at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Maryland. “I wouldn’t have been able to exit if I didn’t have a private security detail. There were people rushing the stage and screaming ‘burn her.’ And I came there to talk solutions, and I still am going to continue that conversation on solutions, as the NRA has been doing since before I was alive.”
Meanwhile, on the gun control front, Trump is coming to the defense of the…. you guessed it… the NRA.
I believe that THEY believe they are doing the right thing, but they are biased. Sure, MAYBE unintentionally, but they are still biased. Nobody wants to believe they work for the devil.
As for proposals, Trump wants to arm teachers. Except… well.. he has a problem with that characterization:
Right. So Trump never said “give teachers guns” but he wants to give teachers guns.
I’m not sure I need to point out how ridiculous this idea is. It won’t solve mass shootings (arming teachers would not have prevented the Las Vegas shooting or Pulse nightclub shooting), and it counts on teachers being in the right place at the right time. A student with an AR-15 can kill dozens of students before a teacher can pull his or her handgun from his safe.
Not to mention, that MORE guns never solves the problem. And who wants to go to a school where adults are armed? That’s a prison, not a school. The NRA has been so successful at focusing our attention on the “bad guy with a gun,” who can only be stopped by a “good guy with a gun,” that some people are willing to turn the whole enterprise designed to educate our kids into a defensive battlefield.
Plus, it’s not thought through. Let’s say you’re an armed teacher, and 90% of the time you’re going to be in your classroom with your kids. Something happens. Do you then leave your kids and go bad guy hunting? Pretty bad ethical dilemma to put somebody in.
Also, teachers won’t do it, and who can blame them? National Education Association President Lily Eskelsen Garcia, said bringing more guns into schools would not make them safer. “Our students need more books, art and music programs, nurses and school counselors; they do not need more guns in their classrooms,” she said in a statement. “Parents and educators overwhelmingly reject the idea of arming school staff.”
Which brings us to CPAC, the Conservative Political Action Conference, which is going on today. ACU’s Matt Schlapp said this morning that Wayne LaPierre’s speech would be part of an effort to address gun violence with “the right and appropriate tone. But LaPierre, the executive vice president of the nation’s most prominent gun-rights lobbying organization (NRA), got onstage with a strange Orwellian diatribe about political enemies. He started by saying that gun control advocates care more about destroying liberty than protecting kids (“Opportunists wasted not one second to exploit tragedy for political gain”)
He then gave red meat for conservatives and attacks on Democrats, calling for increased school security, repeatedly ripping the “rogue” leadership of the FBI and blasting the left for promoting a “socialist” agenda. Name-checking a long list of prospective Democratic 2020 presidential candidates and lawmakers like Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, a leading advocate for gun control measures, and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer of New York, along with the “national media,” LaPierre condemned those he said were “eager to smear” the NRA.
This provoked a response from Schumer:
The NRA is once again spewing pathetic, out of touch ideas, blaming everything but guns. In the past, even after horrible shootings and empathetic words, President Trump and Congressional Republicans have toed the NRA line. 1/2
The right seems to be out of talking points, so they attack the messenger. This time the “messenger” are the high school students of Parkland Florida, who have watched friends die in a horrific mass shooting.
those who accuse the grieving fla students of being actors i hope are being ostracized in their community. shame, shame, shame
Some of the attacks on social media are simply insane, but you have to take them seriously because they go viral instantly. The Miami Herald sets some out:
Conservative pundits, outlets and social media posters on Tuesday hit airwaves and social media hard. Some raised absurd conspiracy theories that kids who just endured a horrifying assault are actually “crisis actors” trained to stage “false flag” events. Others questioned the motivations and political backing of students who have been praised by mainstream media, Democratic politicians, gun control groups and television stars like HBO’s John Oliver.
The Tampa Bay Times reported that an aide to Florida Rep. Shawn Harrison, a Republican from Hillsborough County, used state email to send a photo of two students with this message to a reporter: “Both kids in the picture are not students here but actors that travel to various crisis when they happen.” That’s false.
Harrison immediately distanced himself. “I was just made aware that my aide made an insensitive and inappropriate allegation about Parkland students today,’’ he tweeted Tuesday afternoon. “I have spoken to him and placed him on leave until we determine an appropriate course of action. I do not share his opinion and he did so without my knowledge.”
By early evening, Harrison’s aide Benjamin Kelly tweeted that he’d been fired.
A blogger at Gateway Pundit, a far-right, pro-Trump website, wrote a piece calling one of the leading student voices “a plant.” It included a picture of student David Hogg with a circle around his head and this statement: “Son of FBI agent.” Hogg was among the first Stoneman Douglas students to appear on networks and cable news demanding tougher laws from state and federal lawmakers.
Former U.S. Congressman Allen West, a Republican who served a single term in South Florida as a Tea Party star, also joined in. In one Twitter post, he lumped shooter Nikolas Cruz with five Americans of Middle Eastern descent who claimed connections to terrorist groups. There is no indication that 19-year-old Cruz, who state records show has lived much of his life in Broward County, was a follower of any Muslim terror group.
Jack Kingston, a former U.S. Representative from Georgia who is now a CNN contributor, doubted the students’ intentions, questioning their motivation on his Twitter account and opining that they’re being led by “left wing gun control activists.” On CNN’s New Day Tuesday morning, Kingston said the students’ “sorrow can very easily be hijacked by left-wing groups who have an agenda.”
Here’s a sample, mostly from the POS Dinesh D’Souza:
On and on it goes. Here, however, is Jack Kingston getting spanked by Van Jones for his comments:
And, undeterred, rallies are continuing.
Tonight, CNN is having a town hall. The NRA accepted CNN’s invitation to participate in the town hall and national spokeswoman Dana Loesch will represent the organization. Ugh.
But the rallies continue. As I write this, thousands of students in Broward County are staging a walkout:
But one Texas school district is telling its students in no uncertain terms that gun protests will not be tolerated. The Needville, Texas, schools superintendent is threatening students with suspension if they walk out or otherwise disrupt the school day in their efforts to prevent future school days from being disrupted by a mass shooting:
“Life is all about choices and every choice has a consequence whether it be positive or negative. We will discipline no matter if it is one, fifty, or five hundred students involved,” Rhodes wrote. “All will be suspended for 3 days and parent notes will not alleviate the discipline.” […]
“A school is a place to learn and grow educationally, emotionally and morally,” Rhodes wrote.
“A disruption of the school will not be tolerated.”
Texas. Go figure.
People are getting innovative about getting at the NRA:
Things are happening.
The website advertising the ‘official credit card of the NRA’ just disappeared
The card was issued by @FNBOmaha (who is not responding to our inquiries but has been responding to customers on Twitter.) Here are the other companies in business with the NRA. https://t.co/YJh8dYyYzH
There is an interesting side note to this… the annual CPAC (Conservative Political Action Conference). Once a mainstay for people like Ronald Reagan (the first president to speak there), it has been weakened by the schism between Trump supporters and Never-Trumpers. Last year, Steve Bannon spoke there, while wild-eyed nutbar Milo Yiannopoulos was dropped (for his Nazi affiliations). The gun issue appears to be breaking up the CPAC group again this year as The Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft (“The Dumbest Man on the Internet”) is being DIS-invited to take part in a panel because of his attacks on the Stoneman Douglas high school students.
How groundless information about Parkland survivors spread to hundreds of thousands of people.
Feb. 14 (Unknown time) Alex Jones: The controversial conspiracy theorist and Infowars host says on his radio show that the “Democrats have been caught in false flags before,” referring to staged operations.
“I’m not saying this is a false flag, but they’ve been talking about massacres and things if people don’t leave them alone,” Jones added, according to a transcript published by the liberal watchdog group Media Matters.
Feb. 18 (9:36 pm) Jack Kingston: The former Republican congressman from Georgia tweets about the planned student walk-outs.
He tweets: “O really? ‘Students’ are planning a nationwide rally? Not left wing gun control activists using 17yr kids in the wake of a horrible tragedy? #Soros #Resistance #Antifa #DNC”
Feb. 19 (Unknown time) Gateway Pundit: The pro-Trump blog uploads a YouTube video titled “David Hogg Can’t Remember His Lines When Interviewed for Florida school shooting.”
In the since-deleted video, David Hogg appears to stumble over his words during an interview with a television news reporter. It was not clear if the footage was edited or altered.
Feb. 19 (Unknown time) Gateway Pundit: The site publishes an article headlined “School Shooting Survivor Turned Activist David Hogg’s Father in FBI, Appears To Have Been Coached On Anti-Trump Lines.”
The article is bylined Lucian Wintrich, the Washington correspondent for Gateway Pundit who has White House press credentials.
Feb. 19 (Unknown time) Gateway Pundit: The site publishes an article headlined “Student School Massacre Survivors and CBS Reporter Party Like Rock Stars.”
The article includes what the website claims is a screenshot of a photo, tweeted by a CBS News reporter, in which Parkland survivors smile for a camera.
Feb. 19 (Unknown time) True Pundit: A website that appears to traffic in conspiracy theories publishes an article about Hogg headlined “Outspoken Trump-Hating School Shooting Survivor is Son of FBI Agent; MSMS Helps Prop Up Incompetent Bureau.”
Feb. 19 (4:04 am) Laura Loomer: The conservative activist and former Project Veritas “operative” tweets about a planned gun control march.
Look at their eyes move. It’s obvious these kids are reading a screen or notes someone else wrote for them.
Feb. 19 (8:17 pm) @Thomas1774Paine: The Twitter user shares the True Pundit article with his 163,000 followers.
Donald Trump., Jr. “likes” the tweet sometime thereafter.
VIDEO: Outspoken Trump-Hating School Shooting Survivor is Son of FBI Agent; MSM Helps Prop Up Incompetent Bureau http://bit.ly/2ojUGd8
Feb. 19 (8:42 pm) Bradley Blakeman: A former member of President George W. Bush’s senior staff responds to the Gateway Pundit article about Hogg.
He tweets: “This kid is a shill. He bragged about the number of interviews he is doing and is playing to the camera like he…”
Feb. 19 (8:47 pm) One America News: The pro-Trump cable network retweets one of its primetime anchors responding to the Gateway Pundit article about Hogg.
“Could it be that this student is running cover for his dad who Works as an FBI agent at the Miami field office Which botched tracking down the Man behind the Valentine day massacre? Just wondering. Just connecting some dots…” Donald Trump., Jr. “likes” the tweet sometime thereafter. It has since been deleted.
Feb. 20 (Unknown time) Infowars.com: The conspiracy theory site publishes an article claiming that David Hogg was featured in a CBS Los Angeles report in August 2017 about a confrontation between a lifeguard and a surfer in Redondo Beach, California.
Hogg, who has said he was visiting Los Angeles at the time, apparently filmed the confrontation. “Interestingly,” Infowars.com writes, “Hogg has reconnected with CBS for an appearance on CBS This Morning as the mainstream media unabashedly features high school students as figureheads for a new anti-gun push.”
Feb. 20 (7:24 am) Jack Kingston: The former congressman appears on CNN and elaborates on his tweet.
He says: “[The survivors’] sorrow can very easily be hijacked by left-wing groups who have an agenda … Let’s ask ourselves: Do we really think – and I say this sincerely – do we really think 17-year-olds on their own are gonna plan a nationwide rally … I would say to you very plainly that organized groups that are out there, like George Soros, are always ready to take the charge and it’s kind of like instant rally, instant protest[.]”
Feb. 20 (10:12 am) Reddit users: A channel devoted to President Trump, r/The_Donald, lights up with attacks on Hogg and his classmates.
At least one user posts text from a June 2011 CNN.com article about a stowaway who slipped onto a cross-country flight. The article attributes some information to an FBI agent named Kevin Hogg. It was not clear if Kevin Hogg is related to David Hogg. But the Reddit user in question says: “Kevin Hogg FBI agent involved in an epic failure, outlined in this story out of LAX.”
Note: Time are Eastern Standard Time
UPDATE: A written statement from Mary deBree, Facebook’s head of content policy said the company will take down the hoax content. However, some of the content promoting the conspiracy theories about Hogg and his fellow students were still in the trending section as of Wednesday afternoon. Hogg’s name disappeared from the Trending section on Facebook late in the afternoon.
“Images that attack the victims of last week’s tragedy in Florida are abhorrent. We are removing this content from Facebook,” deBree said in a statement.
Asked about the tweet that the FBI would have got the killer if it hadn’t been focusing on “collusion”
“He was speaking not necessarily that that is the cause,” Sarah Sanders says of the president’s tweet saying the FBI missed the tip because it was too focused on Russia. “…He is making the point we would like our FBI agencies to not be focusing on something that is a hoax.”
Unless I misheard @PressSec had a chance to reject assault weapons ban just now and didn’t. You can’t take WH podium statements on policy seriously but, again, that’s a sign that Republicans are feeling political pressure.
The White House said Tuesday there was “an incident” last week which will be revealed in the coming days that will show how President Donald Trump is “tough on Russia.” Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders made the comment at the daily briefing, but offered no more details. Trump has suggested on Twitter that President Barack Obama’s administration didn’t do enough to counter meddling in the 2016 election, and called himself “much tougher on Russia than Obama.”
I must have missed that. In any event, if we don’t know about it, it probably isn’t that big.
We have never seen victims in the wake of a horrible mass shooting strike back at inert politicians, including the president. We surely have never seen children call their elders to task and plan a massive march https://t.co/SRupjSXcj4
Wednesday, February 14, Valentines Day, 2018. Nikolaus Cruz, a troubled possible deranged right-wing gun nut, walks into Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida and opens up with his AR-15. Seventeen people, mostly students, are dead.
It could have been like the Las Vegas mass shooting. It could have been like Sandy Hook. And by that I mean, it could have been a three or four day story.
But something happened. This one feels different. Maybe it is because, unlike Las Vegas, they are gathered in the same community. Maybe it is because, unlike Sandy Hook, the victims and their friends are old enough to speak out eloquently. But for whatever reason, the high school students of Parkland are not letting this one go.
In the days that followed the tragedy, the students have only grown louder. A group of five students appeared on several national news programs together on Sunday. One published an op-ed on CNN’s website. And on Sunday, the five student leaders announced they would be organizing a national March for Our Lives on March 24.
There is Emma Gonzalez. Little did she know last week that her face and eulogy speech would be replayed all over the country, and that she would appear on, of all things, Meet The Press, to express her outrage and Trump, Rubio and the Republican governor of Florida.
In her speech, Gonzalez told people to vote out of office politicians who are funded by the National Rifle Association (NRA). According to the New York Times, one video of Gonzalez’s speech was viewed more than 100,000 times in just a few hours.
After Wednesday, however, the high school junior has become a student leader and is starting by organizing a trip to Tallahassee, Florida’s capital, with roughly 100 other students to speak with members of the state Senate, House of Representatives, and potentially Gov. Rick Scott (R).
David Hogg was one of the first students to appear on national news after the shooting. In a clip that quickly circulated across the internet, the 17-year-old senior looked directly into CNN’s camera and pleaded with lawmakers to do something.
“We’re children,” he said. “You guys are the adults. You need to take some action and play a role. Work together. Come over your politics and get something done.”
He has also said that he will not feel safe going back to school until lawmakers take action.
“What I’m looking for is reasonable change with the United States Congress and bills that are passed before I get back to school,” he said on Meet the Press. “This is not the time for inaction and debate.”
Hogg ended the segment by telling Trump that “blood is on your hands.”
And there are others:
Cameron Kasky, a junior at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School: “My message for the people in office is: you’re either with us or against us. We are losing our lives while the adults are playing around.” (via CNN) https://t.co/ShcPmXgXJR
Incredibly, there is a right wing backlash against these kids. David Hogg is now being targeted by Gateway Pundit, a far-right blog that has press credentials from the Trump White House. A post published on Monday by the site’s White House correspondent, Lucian Wintrich, features Hogg’s photo with the word “EXPOSED” stamped in red.
Wintrich says Hogg and other students throw up some “red flags.” The first “red flag” is that Hogg’s father is a retired FBI agent. (Hogg freely admitted this on national television.) The insinuation is that Hogg’s father, who does not even work for the FBI, has tasked his son with talking about gun control to take the heat off the agency.
Wintrich also uses an edited YouTube video of Hogg having some difficulty answering questions for a taped interview as evidence that Hogg is “heavily coached on lines and is merely reciting a script.” There is no evidence, in the video or elsewhere in the article, supporting this claim.
Wintrich then drops all pretenses and fully embraces the conspiracy:
Why would the child of an FBI agent be used as a pawn for anti-Trump rhetoric and anti-gun legislation? Because the FBI is only looking to curb YOUR Constitutional rights and INCREASE their power. We’ve seen similar moves by them many times over. This is just another disgusting example of it.
The Gateway Pundit story is spreading quickly on Facebook and has already been picked up by One American News Network, another right-wing outlet with White House media credentials.
Another Gateway Pundit story, authored by Kristinn Taylor, attacks Hogg and fellow students Delaney Tarr, Cameron Kasky and Emma González. The entire article attacks these students for smiling in a photo.
The article is entitled “Student School Massacre Survivors and CBS Reporter Party Like Rock Stars.” But there is no evidence of any partying. Rather, at one point, the group, which was being interviewed for CBS’ morning show, smiled for a photo.
Donald Trump Jr. embraced the attacks, liking one of the tweets about Hogg.
The notion that Hogg is an FBI plant is insane, and easily refuted. But it shows that the right is actually scared of these kids. They actually might make a difference this time.
Don Jr. has liked at least two tweets pushing content that attempts to discredit one of the most vocal student survivors of the Parkland school shooting. pic.twitter.com/YI9ANh5dlL
Update: David Hogg condemned the attacks in a statement to Buzzfeed:
“I just think it’s a testament to the sick immaturity and broken state of our government when these people feel the need to pedal conspiracy theories about people that were in a school shooting where 17 people died and it just makes me sick … It’s immature, rude, and inhuman for these people to destroy the people trying to prevent the death of the future of America because they won’t.”
Fla. House has voted down a motion to take up a bill that would ban outright assault rifles such as AR-15. The motion failed by a 36-71 vote
And more about the killer, like he was adopted at birth by a kindly older couple…. and:
He had been getting treatment at a mental health clinic, but he had stopped. He had been expelled from school for disciplinary problems. Many of his acquaintances had cut ties in part because of his unnerving Instagram posts and reports that he liked shooting animals. His father died a few years ago, and his mother, among the only people with whom he was close, died around Thanksgiving. He was living at a friend’s house. He was showing signs of depression.
And the finger-pointing starts. The left and reasonable rightly say this is an issue of gun control. Why? Because this doesn’t happen in other countries. Other countries have mentally disturbed people. Other countries have terrorists. But other countries make it hard — or near impossible — to get a weapon of mass destruction, like the AR-15 used in so many mass shootings. It is easier to get one of those than it is to get a driver’s license.
And the right — they are playing defense. Some are saying we need armed police in schools — except Stoneman Douglas High School had one. He didn’t see or hear anything until the shooting started.
And it looks like the right has picked out, among others, their fall guy — their favorite punching bag of this administration, the FBI. It comes from Buzzfeed, which reports this:
Last fall, a Mississippi bail bondsman and frequent YouTube vlogger noticed an alarming comment left on one of his videos. “I’m going to be a professional school shooter,” said a user named Nikolas Cruz.
The YouTuber, 36-year-old Ben Bennight, alerted the FBI, emailing a screenshot of the comment and calling the bureau’s Mississippi field office. He also flagged the comment to YouTube, which removed it from the video.
Agents with the bureau’s Mississippi field office got back to him “immediately,” Bennight said, and conducted an in-person interview the following day, on Sept. 25.
“They came to my office the next morning and asked me if I knew anything about the person,” Bennight told BuzzFeed News. “I didn’t. They took a copy of the screenshot and that was the last I heard from them.”
And the President weighed in this morning with this:
And that prompted none other than Donald Trump Jr to like a tweet criticizing the FBI:
So clearly, the fault lies with the FBI and the people who failed to report him.
Trump’s tweet, I am happy say, is not enjoying as many “likes” as he usually gets. A tweet about DACA sent out at the same time got twice as many likes.
As for others on the right, they urge caution
“This is not the time to jump to some conclusion,” Paul Ryan says of efforts to change gun laws.
In Feb 2017 President Trump repealed a measure aimed at blocking gun sales to certain mentally ill people.
The GOP-majority Senate passed the bill by a 57-43 margin earlier this month, following a House vote to overturn the rule. (Source: NPR 2/2017) https://t.co/DUnParFvU9
Here’s what the NRA posted on Instagram on Valentine’s Day, just hours before the shooting. It has not been taken down:
… and in two days, we will have moved on.
We are grieving with Parkland. But we are not powerless. Caring for our kids is our first job. And until we can honestly say that we’re doing enough to keep them safe from harm, including long overdue, common-sense gun safety laws that most Americans want, then we have to change.
This changes things. He was a domestic terrorist (in my eyes), having trained with a white supremacist group.
The Latest: The leader of a white nationalist militia says Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz was a member of his group and participated in paramilitary drills in Tallahassee.https://t.co/WgoCbRlaNB
The group is known as the Republic of Florida. Here is their website (although I suspect it will be taken down soon). They claim no involvement in the shooting. From their FAQ page (spelling errors are theirs):
What is your organization about? What does it do?
We are a white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics, And the ultimate creation of a white ethnostate so we can be free from anti-white policies and have policies that reflect our values as white westerners.
Our current short-term goals are to occupy urban areas to recruit suburban young whites, Then to “Withdrawal” into majority white urban areas to create communes, While maintaining a permanent small presence.
Long term, Our towns will become our ethnostates. Were not going to ask permission from the estableshemnt to have our territorial imparrative!
Are you a hate group? Do you hate minorities?
Considering we are minorities ourselves statistically in most cases, No we do not hate minorities. Noting the spirit of the question, No. We don’t hate people who are not white. We have done business with many people who are not white and work with people who are nonwhite in our communities toward our ultimate goals. Ironically, Black people are very often a lot more accepting of our beliefs than white liberals.
How would you summarize your outlook on history?
History is filled with conquest and struggle. If we come out on top of that struggle, We need to fell guilty about it.
Republic Of Florida is a Militia?
Republic Of Florida is an organization that has a militia, Just as the United States is a nation with an army. Not everyone in the ROF is required to be part of paramilitary training, However, Everyone is encouraged to arm themselves.
Republic Of Florida is to United States Of America
ROF Militia is to US Army.
Thinking of “ROF Militia” And “Republic Of Florida” As the same thing, is erroneous.
How can I get an ROF Flag?
First, Lets show you a picture of what an actual ROF Flag looks like:
This is not to be confused with the Bonnie Blue, Which a flag that virtually every secessionist, And less-dedicated ROF members, Are sure to own.
Owning an authentic ROF flag is a sign of an extremely loyal member of an ROF cell; The reason being is they require dedication and sacrifice simply to produce them, Which means they were obtained for either 2 reasons:
They made the ROF flag with knowledge on how to make them, And with financial willingness to spend the money required to make them.
Were given the ROF flag by someone else who footed the bill, As a reward for that members dedication.
A genuine ROF Flag is very expensive to produce and made to rugged specifications. There is no website you go to to buy an ROF flag. There is however methods of creating them that you can learn if you are part of ROF, Or are creating an ROF cell. Several private companies have assisted us in the creation of our flags, Which are made out of the finest of thick yet light, Durable poly-cotton materials. ROF Flags
So if you want an ROF flag, You either have to know how to make it, Or be given one, Which is a major honor.
What does the ROF Flag Represent?
The white field represents purity/the white race, The St. Andrews cross is a symbol of our ancestors and the symbol of the cross of Burgundy used in the FL state flag, Which is part of Florida’s rich heritage. The blue represents the oceans surrounding our state, The righteousness of our cause, and a government that cares about the health and well being of the people. The white star represents our independence and our freedom.
It should be noted that different ROF flags carry different meanings.
Does ROF do anything positive in the community?
During hurricane IRMA, We passed out free water and food while Amazon.com charged +20$ for bottled water. The store shelves were EMPTY. We passed out these supplies to all colors and creeds, Albeit in a majority white area.
We do numerous positive non-partisan activities that help our communities:
The ROF Militia is on the front lines during hurricanes and natural disasters making sure people are properly cared for in the aftermath, And helping preparations before the storm.
We pass out water in the hottest days of the year, And educate people on the importance of hydration
We patrol the streets at night to combat crime- This mostly involves observing and reporting to local authorities, Unless we witness forcible felonies of certain types where we feel intervention is necessary to prevent great bodily injury or loss of life, or if children or elderly are in danger.
Can a nonwhite join ROF?
In theory, Yes. Ask your local company captain/Cell coordinator if he will allow it. This wont give you a free pass to race mix, And you would be fighting for segregated communities for racial self-determination. If this sounds like you- Then Join ROF; Regardless of what your racial background is.
Are you a Christian Organization?
Technically, Per amendments to the late 1990’s conventions, We are a Christian Organization that makes an exception for a few Odinists. Now in 2017 almost half of ROF is Odinists. If following ROF doctrine to exact spec from the late 1990’s/Early 2000’s, No other organizations are allowed. But no religious belief is outlawed by the 10 codes as of 2017.
Is Islam Compatible with ROF?
No. Islam is not a religion in the traditional sense, It is closer to a military doctrine than a religion, And its values are counter-intuitive to the belief systems of ROF. Islam is a serious threat to western civilization And an enemy of ROF and the Floridian people.
Are the uniforms US Army uniforms?
This is usually a loaded question asked by a childish person whom is attempting to accuse us of “Stolen Valor”. Its a “Power play”, Among many, that helpless childish nihilists use when they have no argument and when they are unable to stop us from operating. Needless to say in 2017, Almost none of our uniforms look that much like US Amry uniforms, And are easily identifiable as ROF uniforms.
None of the well known ROF companies in North Florida use multicam as of late 2017.
Our pre-2017 uniforms are not, And never were, “Stolen valor” The were purchased from private companies. And if they ever were US Army uniforms, They ceased to be US Army Uniforms the moment we took the American Flag patches off and replaced them with ROF patches. We actually wore the multicam camoflage pattern before the US Army Adopted OCP, Which is their version of Multicam. Technically in a strange way that isn’t worth arguing about, The US Army is “Stealing our valor”, Which is very very Ironic considering people accuse ROF of “Stealing Valor”. Tactical Uniforms/Equipment are tools. They are not substitutes for courage, They are not playtoys. They are tools of utility and concealment.
Stolen valor is the impersonation of a military unit. We are not impersonating the ROF, We are the ROF.
Don’t you find your goals to be a bit absurd and Impossible? Aren’t you traitors to America?
Culteral marxism was looked at as “Absured” 40 years ago, But is the law of the land in US politics today.
History is filled with groups like the ROF who were laughed at in the early days. There was a time when the idea of the the colonies becoming the United States (Which really wasn’t supposed to be one country by the way, It was supposed to be a union of nation states) Seemed crazy, And seemed like total treason against the British government. Now we celebrate this “treason” and call it patriotism every 4th of July. Yet for us having this exact same mindset, And wanting to be truly free and have taxation with representation, Just as the founding fathers of the actual U.S. did, We get called traitors. You people calling us traitors must be the ancestors of the redcoats and loyalists of that time.
I heard X about your organization, And the X Organization/Individual said this about your organization.
A wise man believes none of what he hears and half of what he sees.
99% Of people who talk about ROF, media or not, Are simply not qualified to talk about ROF. There are even people in ROF who are not necessarily qualified. If it did not come from ROF doctrine, Then it doesn’t represent the belief systems of ROF. People outside of ROF do not get to decide on our behalf what our organization is about. That isn’t how this works.
Why are your members taking over hotel buildings and meeting with government officials?
Please understand that anybody can start a blog and start throwing out random “Facts” about ROF, About how we are having a “Right Wing Bilderberg”, About how our female members are somehow sex slaves that have no rights bla bla bla.
You have female members? Are they considered equals?
They are considered equally important, But we do not pretend that women are the same as men. Women are biologically different, And thus usually are committed to tasks that are different within ROF. We teach them defensive tactics rather than offensive ones. Women shouldn’t be on the front lines of combat. Women simply are not built for combat. You can use a shovel as a hammer, But its still the wrong tool for the job- Likewise, we biologically are suited toward different jobs. The social engineers and feminists, Who by the way are miserable young gals with absolutely no direction in their life, find that gender roles are part of some oppressive patriarchal conspiracy to oppress women. The reality is men and women love eachother and work with eachother and raise families together. If that is a conspiracy it is one we are glad to be a part of.
Seems like a lot more men than women.
We have almost 4 women per every 10 men. A little under 40% of our membership is female. That is almost unheard of in right wing political organizations. Our male to female ratio very often surpasses the left wing groups.
Do ROF’s do drugs?
Those whom are in ROF Cells, Or living an ROF lifestyle, Are permitted from the recreational use of drugs. 10 codes, Code #4 says: I will not poison myself with the misuse of chemical substances. Chemical substances have their place, But they should only be used medicinally. Drug abuse is the number one obstacle to the recruiting of the young in our society.
The definition of “Medicinal use” is a subject of fierce debate. Some ROF’s claim marijuana is a good treatment for stress and headaches. It also is a subject of debate where alcohol falls into this code.
Are you guys violent?
The short answer: Yes.
Many of us are involved in paramilitary training, and we are well aware of FL Statutes 776. We will stand our ground against all who attack us. Those who attack us better know what they are doing. If your a military aged man and we believe you can cause us great bodily harm, We will do everything in our power to make you no longer be a threat, Which will probably involve us killing or hospitalizing you. Best bet is to fight us with your words if you disagree with us. But if you want to get violent and put your hands on us, That works in our favor. We can always use practice.
We will use all tools at our disposal to advance our objectives, But our first priority is to exercise what rights we have under the law.
What if a member of the press wants to contact you?
We have a 24 Hour Hotline 561-463-2713
RROFrecruiter@Gmail.com – The same for as for recruitment inquiries. We have a lot of press organizations contacting us, And we reserve the right to deny any press organization an interview.
We did have a facebook page before Facebook decided that our advocating our own right to exist and have a territorial imperative was forbidden thought.
Do you support Trump?
We do not have any desire to be part of the United States, And want our own country, And do not support the federal government running our affairs, So we are unwilling to enter into a discussion on if we “Support” Trump, Because we don’t support the government he is in charge of.
Isn’t Jordan Jereb a crazy nutball? How the hell is he the leader of ROF?
Its quite simple; Jereb is not the leader of ROF. He is the leader of a single cell of ROF, A cell that has become successful and popular, And through Jereb’s knowledge of community organizing, Multimedia, The internet, Has created the most visible ROF related activity on the internet. There are many ROF cells that do not advertise themselves on the internet, Some actually hate Jereb, Some even believe Jereb is a provocateur who has ruined ROF. People who say “Jereb is the leader of ROF.” Simply have not done their research.
This will be updated as more frequently asked questions are asked.
I spoke with the leader of the openly fascist white supremacist group Cruz ran with. He said they gave Cruz a gun, and that their training probably made Cruz “more effective”: https://t.co/RGnEyDdBHp
3:15 pm ET – Shooting at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. Broward County Sheriff Office saying 20-50 hurt. Students and teachers told to barricade although some are evacuated. SWAT team present. Shooter(s) unknown and at large.
3:25 pm — Reports are that the police know who the shooter is, but not saying anything until confirmed. He is a student.
Another student on television said he had a rifle — knew him — said he was weird.
Today, close to Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School’s dismissal, students and staff heard what sounded like gunfire. The school immediately went on lockdown but is now dismissing students. We are receiving reports of possible multiple injuries. Law enforcement is on site.
4:10 pm — Ah, this explains it. The suspect in custody was apparently on a Youtube conversation about bombs last night (amazing how fast they got this info) so there is no all-clear because they need to check school for bombs.
4:15 pm — This happened toward the end of school. Many students did not have a last period class. There was a fire drill earlier in the day, which made the second one seem odd. There was a Broward County police officer on duty in the school when it happened. Press gets confirmation that suspect is in custody. Motive unknown.
Superintendent of schools say that there are “numerous fatalities” at the Stoneman Douglas High School.
5:00 pm — Apparently deranged, but teachers and the school knew of him as being a possible threat. He was told never to appear on campus with a backpack. Miami Herald is the first news outlet to confirm his name as Nikolas De Jesus Cruz, aged 19.
This is his high school picture.
7:00 pm — Death toll: 17. Three were killed outside the school.
Another 17 injured; 3 in critical condition
In the rest of the world, there have been 18 school shootings in the last twenty years. In the U.S., there have been 18 school shootings since January 1–35 days.
“A child of God is dead. Can not we acknowledge in this country that we cannot accept this?” Former CIA and FBI official Philip Mudd breaks down into tears following the shooting at a Florida high school https://t.co/y6GqatInijpic.twitter.com/FuuB5gQsOs
Suspect used AR-15, and had multiple magazines. He pulled the fire alarm to make it easy to shoot students. He slipped out with the other evacuating students. He was expelled last year. Gun nut.
Sen. Chris Murphy speaks about Florida school shooting on the Senate floor: "We are responsible for a level of mass atrocity that happens in this country with zero parallel anywhere else." pic.twitter.com/VLG6tLr284
This week saw another mass shooting, this time in Northern California (4 dead, shooter killed — UPDATE: 5 dead — they found his wife’s bodied hidden in his house).
Trump, returning from his Asia stint, tweeted this in response late last night:
Unfortunately, the Sutherland Springs Texas shooting was LAST week’s mass shooting. He deleted the above tweet, although it does look remarkably like a tweet he sent out on November 5:
It actually wasn’t the only embarrassing tweet from Trump in the past 12 hours. There was another one. First, the backstory. Three UCLA basketball players were arrested in China for shoplifting last week. When Trump was in China, he asked President Xi to intervene. The three basketball players, all black, are coming back to America. And Trump tweeted this about an hour ago:
Do you think the three UCLA Basketball Players will say thank you President Trump? They were headed for 10 years in jail!
WHO DOES THIS? It is almost as if he is being critical of them, expecting them not to be thankful. I’m sure they are.
I have no doubt that if the three student athletes were white, he would not have tweeted this. This is Trump signaling his supporters that black people are ungrateful, and should be grateful. It’s disgusting.
I suppose it is worth mentioning that a gunman opened fire in a church in a small town in Texas and killed 26 people (4% of that town’s population), ranging in age from 11 months to 77 years old. A good Samaritan with a rifle heard the shots from across the street, and shot the gunman, 26 year old Devin Patrick Kelley, who fled. After a short police chase, Kelley shot himself and died. Kelley had an AR-15, the gun of choice in mass shootings. The cause was some sort of beef with his wife or in-laws, only one of whom was at that church (the grandmother-in-law).
The post-shooting response is now almost scripted. “Thoughts and prayers” from do-nothing conservatives. A short public debate about gun control which goes nowhere. No legislation gets passed. We forget about this incident. And in a few weeks or months, another mass murder.
Focus still seems to be the shooter, now-deceased 64 year old Stephen Paddock.
The pictures of the hotel show TWO broken-out windows. One of them was to shoot at the concert-goers. The other one, it turns out, was broken so that Paddock could shoot at two large aviation fuel tanks. He actually did shoot at the tanks. The bullets left two holes in one of two circular white tanks. One of the bullets penetrated the tank, but did not cause a fire or explosion near the Route 91 Harvest country music festival.
Paddock played video poker, often high stakes ($100 per hand). He played several hands per hour. And he played for several hours before the shooting. According to casino workers, he tended to stare. He was quoted by someone from the casino as saying he wanted to go kill his mother for bringing him into the world.
His girlfriend returned from the Philippines — where Paddock had wired $100,000 to her — to meet with the FBI. She claimed no foreknowledge of his intentions or his motives. She thought he encouraged her to go to the Philippines (where her family was) because he intended to break up with her. Some people are not believing her, but the fact that she came back voluntarily, when she could have fought extradition for over a year, makes me think she probably know little.
There were reports last night from law enforcement that Paddock had planned to escape. In other words,it was not a mass murder-suicide. They would not comment on the reasons why they suspect this. But maybe that was why he shot at the aviation fuel tanks — as a distraction.
We are also learning that a security guard, Jeses Campos, approached the 32nd-floor suite where Paddock was shooting. Paddock, who had rigged cameras in the hallway and on the peephole of the door, saw Campos coming and fired through the door, hitting him in the leg. When Campos was hit, he radioed casino dispatch and told them his location—and Paddock’s.
We also learned that Paddock had his sights set on Lollapalooza in Chicago and even booked 2 rooms in a hotel that overlooked the massive outdoor venue on August 1-3. But he apparently never showed. In addition, Paddock allegedly rented multiple condos at The Ogden complex in downtown Las Vegas, which overlooked the location of the Life is Beautiful Festival, which ran from Sept. 22 to Sept. 24 in Las Vegas and featured artists including Chance the Rapper. LordeB, link 182, Muse and Gorillaz.
And finally, there seems to be some support among Republicans in Congress for banning “bump stocks,” which make it easier to fire semiautomatic weapons at a rate similar to that of automatic weapons. Unusual, but welcome news.
Poor Fox News. The Las Vegas Shooter does not fit the mold of a Muslim terrorist, so they are all bumfuzzled trying to politicize the tragedy while telling others not to. Great job at The Daily Show for this:
You know what is the worst thing about today — the first full day after a horrible mass shooting in the United States?
[UPDATE – Extremely graphic NSFW disturbing video can be seen here — view at your on risk]
The worst thing is that there is nothing to say that hasn’t been said previously in other horrible mass shootings.
We bicker about “thoughts and prayers” versus action. We question the motives of the shooter. We praise the first responders. We look to our Congresspeople for solutions. We’re told that “the time isn’t right” for solutions… again. And no solutions come, except for some mumblings about mental illness reform, which does nothing. The debate goes quickly from mass shootings to the second amendment rights of gun owners. It’s the same debate. And in the end, nothing changes.
It’s the same song. Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was. Why does this happen? Steve Israel knows:
First, just like everything else in Washington, the gun lobby has become more polarized. The National Rifle Association, once a supporter of sensible gun-safety measures, is now forced to oppose them because of competing organizations. More moderation means less market share. The gun lobby is in a race to see who can become more brazen, more extreme.
Second, congressional redistricting has pulled Republicans so far to the right that anything less than total subservience to the gun lobby is viewed as supporting gun confiscation. The gun lobby score is a litmus test with zero margin for error.
Third, the problem is you, the reader. You’ve become inoculated. You’ll read this essay and others like it, and turn the page or click another link. You’ll watch or listen to the news and shake your head, then flip to another channel or another app. This horrific event will recede into our collective memory.
That’s what the gun lobbyists are counting on. They want you to forget. To accept the deaths of at least 58 children, parents, brothers, sisters, friends as the new normal. To turn this page with one hand, and use the other hand to vote for members of Congress who will rise in another moment of silence this week. And next week. And the foreseeable future.
We don’t know a whole lot more than we did about the shooter. Focus gas turned to Marilou Danley, the Las Vegas shooter’s live-in girlfriend who left the country before Stephen Paddock gunned down 59 people outside the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino. Paddock wired $100,000 to an account in Danley’s home country of the Philippines last week. She’s out of the country, but police are going to talk to her when she returns. With no evidence, right wing conspiracy theorists are convinced she as an ISIS connection and converted Paddock to Islam.
The shooter had at least one lens set up to tape himself as he unleashed hell on thousands of unsuspecting concertgoers several hundred yards below his ritzy casino suite, according to ABC News.
Apparently knowing cops would eventually catch up to him, he also wired cameras in the hallway outside his room so he could see when the heat was getting close, the Daily Mail reported.
There have been reports, though not really confirmed, that he was actually a wealthy man, perhaps a real investor. As said above, he wired his girlfriend $100,000 a week ago. But he also reportedly rented a series of condos over another outdoor concert that he had apparently considered attacking before choosing this country music concert. Those certainly suggest a decent amount of liquid assets, though if you knew you were about to end your life a middle-class person could likely sell things and come up with that amount of cash.
The Washington Post says “He liked to bet big, wagering tens of thousands of dollars in a sitting. He owned homes in four states but preferred staying in casino hotels, sometimes for weeks at a time, as he worked the gambling machines.” Card counters and professional card players can win over time at casinos. But most people don’t. And it doesn’t sound like Paddock did the kind of gambling where you can win, over time.
There’s also this new AP story which seems to suggest he hadn’t been employed in almost thirty years. According to this timeline, he worked for the post office from 1976 to 1978. He graduated college in 1977. He worked as an IRS agent from 1978 to 1984. He then worked for a defense auditing job for a year and a half. The AP also says he “worked for a defense contractor in the late 1980s.”
… right… condolences and sympathies, etc… and then nothing will be done.
So here’s what happened.
There are now at least 50 dead and some 200 400 injured. The 2016 Pulse nightclub shooting in Orlando, Florida, was previously the deadliest, with 49 killed.
A gunman, identified as Stephen Paddock, 64, fired upon a music festival crowd (the Route 91 Harvest Festival — a country music concert) from the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas. He apparently broke the windows with a hammer or some other blunt device.
This happened just after 10 p.m. Sunday local time (1 a.m. ET Monday)
“The gunshots lasted for 10-15 minutes. It didn’t stop. We just ran for our lives,” witness Rachel De Kerf told CNN. “The band was rushed off the stage, the floodlights came on the crowd, and you see on the right hand of the stage the person who was injured, so they’re calling for medics, calling for security, then there was gunfire again,” her sister told the network.
According to the NY TImes: “The shooting began around 10:08 p.m. local time, the police said. The authorities estimated that 406 people were transported to hospitals. There were more than 22,000 people at the concert.”
SWAT teams entered the hotel room where Paddock was. He had killed himself. At least 10 guns were found in Mr. Paddock’s hotel room, including several rifles.
This is the Paddock:
Motive unknown, although…
#BREAKING: Islamic State say that the shooter converted to Islam months ago, but at this time there is no evidence to suggest this
No prior criminal records except a traffic ticket. His brother says he was not religious, not political, and must have “snapped”
Unidentified relatives told the newspaper that Paddock, who lived in a retirement community in the sleepy desert city of Mesquite, some 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, lived a quiet, uneventful life. He enjoyed country music and visited Sin City frequently to gamble and attend concerts at the flashy hotels that line the Strip, the relatives said.
Mesquite police chief Quinn Averett said in a press conference that “some weapons” and “maybe some ammunition” were found in Paddock’s home, where officers executed a search warrant.
UPDATE 11:20 am EST — President Trump read comments from a teleprompter. Sounded great, looked awful. Didn’t ad lib so everyone is rushing to compliment how “presidential” he was. In truth, he is rather low energy when there’s no racial division or paranoia and fear to stoke. There was nothing useful to Trump in what happened last night in Vegas, and it shows in his lack of reaction.
UPDATE 11:40 am EST — Police say death toll is 58 (possibly 59) with over 515 injured.
Geary Danley was not the gunman in Las Vegas who killed at least 50 people late Sunday. But for hours on the far-right Internet, would-be sleuths scoured Danley’s Facebook likes, family photographs and marital history to try to “prove” that he was.
The right-wing news site Gateway Pundit also picked up these rumors as fact in a now-deleted article. That article’s URL was still the top result for Danley’s name on Google in the early hours of Monday morning.
The headline, still visible in search results, and remaining on the first page of results for Danley when I ran my 9 a.m. search, read, “Las Vegas Shooter Reportedly a Democrat Who Liked Rachel Maddow, MoveOn.org and Associated with anti-Trump Army.”
After Gateway Pundit accused an innocent Michigan man of being the Charlottesville Nazi terrorist, a lawyer for the man’s family vowed to sue. So far there are no reports that a suit has been filed.
Note: The Gateway Pundit has White House press credentials.
The FBI arrested an alleged right-wing extremist who had amassed 1,000 rounds of ammunition and was said to be plotting a mass shooting.
A complaint filed in federal court and obtained by the Statesman on Monday stated that a search warrant was executed on the home of 50-year-old Steven Thomas Boehle after a confidential informant said that he was planning a shooting spree.
According to the complaint, Boehle “exhibits sovereign citizen extremism ideology.”
Although Boehle is prohibited from owning firearms due to a 1993 assault on a intimate partner, three guns were found in his home.
He was charged with making false statements about his criminal history while trying to buy additional firearms from gun dealers in the Austin area.
When people factor their sense of national security and views on firearms, they don’t factor in stories like this because these stories don’t get widespread coverage. The FBI doesn’t take a bow. Maybe they should.
As we all know by now, Trump yesterday hinted that gun lovers could (or should? or would?) shoot Hillary Clinton and/or a Supreme Court nominee as a response to Hillary Clinton selecting judges for the Supreme Court. Here’s the comment and campaign responses in a nutshell:
The spin from the Trump campaign is laughable. Today, his campaign surrogates received the following talking points at 9:24 a.m. today:
The first point is simply “blaming the media”.
The second point spits right in the face of what everyone can see for themselves. And as for the people in attendance? Look at the reaction of the bearded old man sitting behind Trump (to the right of him from our standpoint). He says, “wow”. He knew what Trump was saying.
The third point is simply pivoting away from the subject.
As Trump’s words spread, Senator Chris Murphy, of Connecticut, where a troubled young man massacred twenty-six people at Sandy Hook Elementary School, took to Twitter. “This isn’t play,” he wrote. “Unstable people with powerful guns and an unhinged hatred for Hillary are listening to you, @realDonaldTrump.”
“Donald Trump might astound Americans on a routine basis, but we must draw a bright red line between political speech and suggestions of violence. Responsible, stable individuals won’t take Trump’s rhetoric to its literal end, but his words may provide a magnet for those seeking infamy. They may provide inspiration or permission for those bent on bloodshed. What political leaders say matters to their followers. When candidates descend into coarseness and insult, our politics follow suit. When they affirm violence, we should fear that violence will follow. It must be the responsibility of all Americans – from Donald Trump himself, to his supporters, to those who remain silent or oppose him – to unambiguously condemn these remarks and the violence they insinuate. The integrity of our democracy and the decency of our nation is at stake.”
Joe Scarborough wrote that a line has been crossed and the GOP must now dump Trump.
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin got assassinated.
His right-wing opponents just kept delegitimizing him as a “traitor” and “a Nazi” for wanting to make peace with the Palestinians and give back part of the Land of Israel. Of course, all is fair in politics, right? And they had God on their side, right? They weren’t actually telling anyone to assassinate Rabin. That would be horrible.
But there are always people down the line who don’t hear the caveats. They just hear the big message: The man is illegitimate, the man is a threat to the nation, the man is the equivalent of a Nazi war criminal. Well, you know what we do with people like that, don’t you? We kill them.
Elizabeth Warren went for, and received, the Internet Win:
.@realDonaldTrump makes death threats because he’s a pathetic coward who can’t handle the fact that he’s losing to a girl.
Over at Breitbart News, which I won’t link to, they were a little more honest about what Trump was saying, and agreed with it:
Trump did not suggest violence. Rather, he spoke in a way that reveals he recognizes the role an armed citizenry plays as a check on tyranny. This is James Madison 101. In Federalist 46, Madison observed that Americans are exceptional because armed and the benefit of being armed is the ability to repel tyranny. Repelling a tyranny is a defensive action, not an offensive one.
So, in Breitbart’s view, a president appointing judges you don’t like is “tyranny” which American are compelled to repel using guns. Uh, as a defense. (Not for nothing, but Federalist 46 relates to well-regulated state militias, commanded by officers, tossing off a tyrannical federal government, not armed citizen guerillas
But I digress.
IS this the worst thing Trump has ever said? Probably not. We probably don’t know the worst thing he has ever said. But during the campaign? It’s gotta be pretty high up there. Fortunately, Bloomberg came out with results of a poll which asked people how put off they were by the various Trump statements of this campaign. The results:
The mocking of the disabled reporter offended the most people. Followed by the Khan statements, followed by “I alone can fix it.”
I don’t think Trump’s “Second Amendment” solution is as offensive as the disability comment, although it is clearly more dangerous and disconcerting. I also don’t think it will move many minds. At this point, if you can swallow everything that Trump has said so far, you can swallow anything. Some people are just never going to come off that mark.
UPDATE: Trump implies that he meant to do that — the controversy helps him. Really. He subscribes to the theory that there is no such thing as bad press.
Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump said Tuesday night he’s benefitting from the controversy he created earlier in the day by suggesting “the Second Amendment people” might forcefully stop Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton from appointing Supreme Court justices. […]”I have to say, in terms of politics, there is few things, and I happen to think that if [the media] did even bring this up, I think it’s a good thing for me,” Trump told Sean Hannity.
“Because it’s going to tell people more about me with respect to the Second Amendment … because Hillary Clinton wants to essentially abolish the Second Amendment.”
Which is another one of Trump’s outlandish conspiracy theories that has been debunked multiple times over.
He was doing so well, until he started riffing. He went a little too far from the script.
Hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the Second Amendment. By the way, if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges — nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people, maybe there is, I dunno.
[Applause and whistles from audience.]
I think I know what the news will be for the next cycle or two.
Now, Trump will likely say he was “joking”. But how is that funny? Especially in a country that suffers from mass shootings?
Fifty years ago today, Charles Whitman, a 25-year-old engineering student and former Marine armed with a small arsenal of weapons, killed 13 people and wounded over 30 more during a shooting rampage atop the University of Texas Tower in Austin. The episode casts a long and complicated shadow. It is considered by some to have marked the beginning of the era of mass shootings; for others, the armed civilians who engaged Whitman that day suggest one way to limit the scope of such attacks.
Although it was a tragedy, the Dallas sniper shooting of 5 police officers was a reality-based experiment on the theory that a good guy with a gun beats a bad guy with a gun. Not only did the bad guy with a gun kill five armed good guys, but the bad guy was killed with a robot using explosives (one of the first times that law enforcement used a drone/robot for purposes of catching someone in a domestic crime).
[Dallas Mayor] Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.
He said Friday that about 20 people in “ammo gear and protective equipment and rifles slung over their shoulder” participated in the Black Lives Matter rally downtown on Thursday night.
“When the shooting started, at different angles, they started running,” he said. “We started catching.”
Then police interviewed them.
Rawlings said open carry brings confusion to a shooting scene.
“What I would do is look for the people with guns,” he said.
Max Geron, a Dallas police major, talked about the confusion during the shooting in a post on a law enforcement website.
“There was also the challenge of sorting out witnesses from potential suspects,” Geron said. “Texas is an open carry state, and there were a number of armed demonstrators taking part. There was confusion on the radio about the description of the suspects and whether or not one or more was in custody.”
Now listen to the stupidity of the counter argument:
But C.J. Grisham, president of Open Carry Texas, said police should be able to separate the good guys from the bad guys in such a scenario because “the bad guys are the ones shooting.”
“If you can’t identify a threat, you shouldn’t be wearing a uniform,” he said.
Grisham said some in law enforcement look at law-abiding gun owners as a threat.
“It’s not that difficult to tell the difference between a bad actor and a good actor,” he said. “The good guys are going to obey commands, the bad guys are not.”
Wait, wait. Shots rings out. And as you turn, you see a guy across the street RUNNING with a RIFLE. He can’t hear your commands to stop. And you didn’t actually see whether he fired those shots.
Apparently, CJ Grisham thinks that real life is like a movie, where the camera is on the shooter as he shoots.
It’s scary that these people are allowed to have opinions.
Dallas police now believe that Micah Johnson, who shot and killed 5 Dallas police following a Black Lives Matter march, was actually planning some sort of mass attack, but advanced his plans to take advantage of the BLM march. His house was full of bomb making equipment, far too much to have put together in recent days. He had received “defensive” combat training in Dallas two years earlier.
And most troubling, writing on his wall in blood.
This man was a time bomb. It’s almost like he didn’t need a reason to go off.
Alton Sterling, a 37-year-old black man, was standing in the parking lot selling CDs as he had for years when two white cops arrived on Tuesday night. By Wednesday morning he was dead and protesters were in the city’s streets. Calls erupted from Congress and the NAACP for an independent investigation into the shooting, which the Justice Department announced within hours.
Abdullah Muflahi owned the Triple S Food Mart in Baton Rouge where all this happened. He was a friend of Sterling and allowed him to sell CDs in front of the story. Muflahi walked out the front door when he saw the officers talking to Sterling and said there was no “altercation,” as police claimed, until the cops tasered and tackled Sterling. That’s when Muflahi took out his phone and started recording. (Warning: Graphic video)
I was on Twitter last night reading about this, and the protests, when something came across the transom.
Another shooting of a black man by cops. A traffic stop in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, near Minneapolis. The victim’s name is Philando Castile.
The video begins after the shooting occurred and shows the man, slumped and bloodied, against the woman who was recording. Her young daughter sat in the back seat. The video streamed live on a private Facebook account belonging to Lavish Reynolds, and the clip was passed rapidly among Twitter, Facebook and YouTube users, becoming significant news online before traditional outlets — even those in the Minneapolis area — caught up.
The woman, presumably Lavisjh Reynolds, began by calmly narrating what was happening as she trained the camera on Mr. Castile, whom she described as her boyfriend, and on at least one officer who was pointing a gun through the driver’s side window.
“Please, officer, don’t tell me that you just did this to him,” she said. “You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir.”
Reynold’s daughter, who was in the back seat, appears several times in the video. Near the end of the 10-minute clip, as the two are sitting in the back of a police car, she comforts her mother, saying, “It’s O.K., Mommy. It’s O.K. I’m right here with you.”
The terror in the voice of the cop is palpable, while Lavish Reynolds (at least in the beginning) is calm and reasoned. Castile dies in the video.
Reynolds can be heard throughout the video repeating that they were stopped for a broken tail light, that the officer requested Castile’s driver license, and that Castile was shot when he went to retrieve his license for the officer. She also states on the video that he worked for St. Paul public schools and did not have a criminal record. According to Castile’s mother, he was the cafeteria supervisor at a St. Paul Montessori school.
The Minnesota governor has asked for a federal investigation into the fatal shooting of Castile.
The Washington Post is tracking the number of people killed by police in the America. There were 990 in 2015. There were 506 showing for 2016 now. There is something terribly wrong.
And because it is a presidential campaign year, expect this: Hillary will talk about it, and Trump will use it as an excuse to pat policemen on the back.
Late last night, Ryan managed to adjourn the House until after the July 4th break:
After a chaotic, daylong occupation of the House floor, Republican leaders moved in the middle of the night to cut off House Democrats’ gun control “sit-in” by adjourning the House through the July 4 — without a vote on gun control.
Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) sought to to quell the Democratic demonstration by having lawmakers vote at 2:30 a.m. on several bills they had to pass this week, including one to combat the Zika virus. After that, Republican leaders sent lawmakers home until July 5, starting their already-scheduled recess a few days earlier than planned.
All of this is ostensibly to pass a “no fly, no buy” bill — i.e., if you are on the “no fly” or any other government terrorist watch list, you shouldn’t be able to buy a gun. This is the legislation offered by Senator Feinstein and now Representative Lowey.
And to be honest, there’s legitimate worry that these lists are not very good, that they deny people due process, and that they have a disparate impact when it is used to deny people rights, like the right to board an airplane or (as now proposed) to purchase a firearm. These are some of the reasons why the ACLU opposes the Feinstein/Lowey legislation. Republican opponents raise some of the same issues.
The question, then, is whether the sit-in the Democrats waged yesterday and the fuss they made in the Senate before that are in the service of bad legislation that would ratify a badly flawed system that is already being misused for the no-fly system. Would it grant even more power to the FBI which they could then expand or misuse?
If you restrict yourself to seeing this kerfuffle as about the merits of this proposed legislation, then the answer to those questions is surely ‘yes.’
But this is not a fully developed appreciation of what is going on.
To start with, the Democrats are responding to yet another massacre in which dozens of people were killed or injured in mere minutes by the use of a power semi-automatic rifle. In the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, 26 people were gunned down in approximately five minutes. In the 2012 Aurora massacre, seventy people were shot. In Aurora, the police arrived within 90 seconds of receiving a call. In Sandy Hook, the first police car was there four minutes after they were notified of a shooting situation. Congress has had no answer for how we might prevent or reduce the frequency and lethality of these types of attacks.
What the Democrats are trying to do is break grip the National Rifle Association has on Congress. The heart of that effort has been to leverage overwhelming public support for expanded background checks, but that legislation has gone nowhere. The effort to impose a “no-fly, no-buy” provision will likewise go nowhere in this Republican-controlled Congress, but it also enjoys overwhelming public support. By trying to force votes on these two issues, the Democrats are highlighting the Republicans refusal to address the problem of the ready availability of extraordinarily lethal firearms. Whether the Republicans cast votes or refuse to allow them (as they have done by recessing until after July 4th), this puts them badly on the wrong side of public opinion and heightens their vulnerability to electoral defeat.
It’s not a cynical ploy to gain power. It’s a recognition that all avenues are blocked except getting more power. So, the way this gambit should be judged is on whether it works politically, and not so much on whether the watch list is a flawed mechanism for restricting the rights of anyone for any purpose.
So, if nothing happens, the watch list will continue to have flaws and it will continue to expand. But, if the watch list were to actually be used to restrict gun ownership, the Republicans would suddenly care about those flaws and want to do something to make sure that folks have due process, the right to appeal, and that conservatives aren’t disproportionately impacted. Conservatives tend not to have empathy until they’re personally impacted. When Arlen Specter got sick, he became a champion of the National Institute of Health, and when Rob Portman discovered he had a gay son, he suddenly saw the light on gay marriage. If Republicans think the watch list only inconveniences Muslims from Dearborn, Michigan, they’ll never have any interest in fixing its flaws. But if it impacts one of their assault-rifle loving constituents who can’t figure out how to get taken off this list? That will interest them.
UPDATE (1:09 pm) — Aaaaand it’s over.
House Democrats are now hugging, shaking hands, and taking photos on the floor. The sit-in is now over, and they plan to address supporters outside the Capitol in the next few minutes.
Whether it was a “win” or not, everyone will have a different take. No vote, of course, but that was pie-in-the-sky. It raised the profile of the gun control issue, it heightened notice that the Republicans and the GOP leadership are controlled by the NRA. That’s all good.
Terrorist — we’ll call him Shooter A — walks into a crowded room (say, a nightclub) and starts opening fire. Immediately, some people fall, stricken by Shooter A. Others instinctively dive under the tables or behind the bar or run out of the room to the bathrooms.
Brave Shooter B, a patron, reacts quickly. In half a second, he draws his loaded and concealed pistol, and fires at Shooter A. He misses but one bullet ricochets and hits a bystander.
As that is going on, brave Shooter C, another patron, is just coming out of the bathroom and hears Shooter A’s gunfire. She takes her loaded and concealed pistol and runs to the main room, where she sees Shooter B fire with his weapon drawn and people are falling down and/or diving under tables. She shoots at Shooter B.
Brave Shooter D has dived under the table at the first sound of bullets so it takes him two or three seconds to get his loaded and concealed pistol out from his leg strap, but when he does he see Shooter C and Shooter A and he figures it is more than one person so he starts firing on them both.
Brave Shooter E, the bartender, comes up from behind the bar and see the shooter closest to him shooting at people at so he starts shooting at that shooter but then some other shooter starts shooting at HIM.
Everything I have described happens in a span of 3-4 seconds from the moment of the first shot. As more “good guys with guns” join in, it becomes unclear who the “good guys” and “bad guys” are.
Oh, did I mention that it is a nightclub where the lights are low and the music is thumping and all the shooters have had a little to drink?
The point: The notion that more guns will prevent mass shootings is just plain dumb, and suggested by people who watch too many movies. Yes, it might work in certain situations (especially if everybody had advance notice that there was a shooter and a description of what he/she looked like), but in the real world, things are often not that convenient.
Dozens of House Democrats are staging a “sit-in” on the House floor until they are allowed a vote on a so-called “no fly, no buy” gun control bill. It is the most dramatic action by House Democrats on gun control since the Orlando shooting on June 12 that left 49 dead and 53 wounded.
Two weeks ago, in the Senate, there was a talking filibuster by Senator Murphy of Connecticut. That ended when Senate Republicans agreed to allow a vote on various gun control proposals. None of those proposals passed.
UPDATE: You won’t see this on TV…
chanting on the House floor, the chair finds the House not in order. Republicans gavel the house into recess and cut the @cspan cameras
Thanks to Senator Murphy’s 15-hour talk-a-thon on the Senate floor last week, Senate Republicans are willing to allow votes on certain gun control proposals. But don’t expect success — in part because 60 votes are needed to break a threatened Republican filibuster.
Nevertheless, here are the four proposals – all submitted as amendments to a Justice Department spending bill……..
The Democratic proposals:
Brought by Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., it would give the Justice Department the power to stop anyone from purchasing a gun if that person has been on the federal terrorist watch lists sometime in the past five years. This measure would also make it easier for the government to halt a gun purchase, based on “reasonable belief” as opposed to “probable cause” that the individual will use the firearm to commit terrorism. The White House and DOJ backs this measure.
An amendment by Chris Murphy, D-Conn., would close the “gun show loophole” by requiring every gun purchaser to undergo a background check and to expand the background check database. It would also extend background checks to Internet sales.
The GOP proposals:
This one from John Cornyn, R-Texas, would require that law enforcement be alerted when anyone on the terrorist watch list attempts to buy a weapon from a licensed dealer. If the buyer has been investigated for terrorism within the past five years, the attorney general could block a sale for up to three days while a court reviews the sale. The government would have to show probable cause that the person is a known or suspected terrorist.
An amendment by Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, would clarify what it means to be found mentally deficient, and giving people suspected of serious mental illness a process to challenge that determination. (Democrats argue that the “clarification” would actually permit more mentally deficient people to buy guns)
It’s getting close to the end of the Supreme Court term, and this is when controversial cases start coming out.
Although a few cases were handed down today, they weren’t the ones on my particular radar. The ones of national import, I believe, are:
Fisher v. University of Texas at Austin (argued December 9, 2015). This case, a challenge to the university’s consideration of race in its undergraduate admissions process, is on its second trip to the Court. In 2013, the Court sent the case back to the lower courts for a more critical look at whether the university really needed to consider race to achieve a diverse student body. After the Fifth Circuit once again upheld the policy, the Court agreed to weigh in. Unlike some of the Court’s other high-profile cases this Term, no one expects the Court to deadlock: Justice Elena Kagan is not participating, which in the wake of Justice Antonin Scalia’s death leaves the Court with just seven Justices to decide the case.
Whole Woman’s Health v. Hellerstedt (argued March 2, 2016). This is a challenge to the constitutionality of two provisions of a Texas law regulating abortion in that state. One provision requires doctors who perform abortions to have privileges to admit patients to a local hospital; the other requires abortion clinics to have facilities that are comparable to outpatient surgical centers. Texas contends that these new laws are constitutional because they were intended to protect women’s health, while the challengers argue that the law was actually intended to close most clinics and therefore limit women’s access to abortions.
United States v. Texas (argued April 18, 2016). This case is a challenge to an Obama administration policy, announced in November 2014, that would allow some undocumented immigrants to apply to stay in the country and work legally for three years. Before the policy could go into effect, Texas and a large group of other states went to court to block its implementation, arguing that the administration lacks the authority to issue a policy like this. But before the Supreme Court can weigh in on that question, it will also have to agree that the states have the legal right, known as “standing,” to challenge the policy at all; the lower courts ruled that they did, because at least Texas would incur additional costs from the undocumented immigrants who would become eligible for driver’s licenses if the policy goes into effect.
So…. basically, affirmative action, abortion, and immigration. Hot topics in an election year.
None of that came down today. In fact, the biggest news out of the Supreme Court this morning may be a case that they refused to take up:
The Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear a Second Amendment challenge to a Connecticut law banning many semiautomatic rifles. The law, enacted in 2013 in the wake of the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., made it a crime to sell or possess the firearms, which critics call assault weapons.
The decision not to hear the case, not long after the mass shooting in Orlando, Fla., does not set a Supreme Court precedent. But it is part of a trend in which the justices have given at least tacit approval to broad gun-control laws in states and localities that choose to enact them.
The case, Shew v. Malloy, No. 15-1030, was brought by four individuals, a business and two advocacy groups. They said the ban was irrational, ineffective and unconstitutional.
“Connecticut dubs a semiautomatic firearm” with one of several common features “an ‘assault weapon,’ but that is nothing more than an argument advanced by a political slogan in the guise of a definition,” they told the Supreme Court in their petition seeking review.
Last October, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit, in New York, upheld the ban almost entirely. It acknowledged that the affected weapons were in common use and assumed their possession was protected by the Second Amendment. But the appeals court ruled that the Connecticut law passed constitutional muster.
The law was “specifically targeted to prevent mass shootings like that in Newtown, in which the shooter used a semiautomatic assault weapon,” Judge José A. Cabranes wrote for the court.
“Plaintiffs complain that mass shootings are ‘particularly rare events’ and thus, even if successful, the legislation will have a ‘minimal impact’ on most violent crime.
“That may be so,” Judge Cabranes continued. “But gun‐control legislation ‘need not strike at all evils at the same time’ to be constitutional.”
It has been eight years since the Supreme Court recognized an individual right to keep guns at home for self-defense in District of Columbia v. Heller, which struck down parts of an exceptionally strict local law. Since then, the justices have said almost nothing about the scope of that right.
Props to Senator Chris Murphy of Connecticut for starting and leading a filibuster to enact some sort of gun control measure, something the Republican Congress won’t even consider, even in the light of such massacres as Newtown and the Orlando Pulse Club shootings.
Senate Democrats ended a nearly 15-hour filibuster early this morning after Republican Party leaders reportedly agreed to allow votes on two proposed gun control measures.
I am proud to announce that after 14+ hours on the floor, we will have a vote on closing the terror gap & universal background checks
Filibusters aren’t easy. By Senate rules, Murphy had to stand at his desk to maintain control of the floor. When asked by another senator how he was feeling just before 7:30 p.m., Murphy said rehabilitation from a back injury in his 20s had helped him build up endurance.
It’s been nearly a decade since Congress made any significant changes to federal gun laws. In April 2007, Congress passed a law to strengthen the instant background check system after a gunman at Virginia Tech was able to purchase his weapons because his mental health history was not in the instant background check database. Thirty-two people died in the shooting.
After what happened in Orlando, there may be some movement. Some Fox News people are even saying enough is enough. Trump is meeting with the NRA, thinking he can move them.
I will be meeting with the NRA, who has endorsed me, about not allowing people on the terrorist watch list, or the no fly list, to buy guns.
Meeting with Trump is fine, but the NRA is already in favor of what Trump seems to be proposing. In fact, the NRA formally backed an approach favored by Senate Republicans that would allow a judge to arbitrate people who mistakenly end up on the terrorism watch list and want to buy guns, while Democrats prefer giving the Justice Department such authority. Both bills were voted down by the Senate in December.
Meanwhile, back in the Senate, the chamber is likely to vote on two Democratic-backed gun measures: a proposal from Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) meant to bar those on federal terror watch lists from obtaining firearms, and a plan from Murphy and Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) and Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) mandating background checks for sales at gun shows and over the internet. Republicans are expected to put forward two of their own proposals for votes.\
I don’t expect anything significant to pass. But I do think we can get people on the record, and hopefully get them out of office.
About an hour and a half ago (around 11:30 am), Sen. Chris Murphy (D-CT) started embarking on a talking filibuster in order to push the Senate to address gun control in the wake of the deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Florida. Murphy and Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT) alternated speaking about gun control on the Senate floor, according to Fox 61 in Connecticut.
Democrats are signing up to speak — some as late as 10:30 pm.
A fundraising event in the works for Tennessee state Rep. Andy Holt was offering an AR-15 as the door prize.
Holt, R-Dresden, is known for speaking his mind, and the day after the deadliest shooting in American history is no exception.
For an upcoming fundraiser, the West Tennessee lawmaker is planning to give away two AR-15 rifles, the same kind of weapon used in Sunday’s shooting.
“We should not focus on the gun itself,” said Holt in a phone conversation. “We should focus on the depravity of the heart of the person who’s pulling the trigger.”
Omar Mateen, who allegedly pledged his allegiance to the Islamic State, carried out an attack at a gay night club in Orlando early Sunday morning.
Investigators said he used a pistol as well as an assault-style rifle to kill 49 people and wound 53 others.
Holt said his door prize will encourage people to protect themselves.
When asked if he thought giving away an assault-style rifle might be offensive, Holt said, “It’s not intended to come across as offensive, it’s intended to help people.”
The AR-15 has emerged as the weapon of choice in recent mass shootings such as San Bernandino, CA, Aurora, CO, and Newtown, CT. It has the ability to fire several rounds in a short time frame.
Holt said any weapon is dangerous in the hands of a deranged criminal.
“You can inflict a lot of damage,” said Holt when asked if a person with a handgun would be able to kill so many. “A Molotov cocktail would have done the same thing.”
Other lawmakers clearly disagree.
On Twitter, Congressman Steve Cohen, D-TN, called on House Speaker Paul Ryan on Sunday to introduce legislation that would ban all assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
“Outside of our military, no one in this county needs an assault rifle to defend themselves or their homes.They are often used in these mass shootings. Also as Congress continues the appropriations process, we must allocate more federal funding for mental health treatments and centers,” said Cohen in a statement.
After pausing to observe a moment of silence to honor the victims in the Orlando mass shooting, Democrats in the House on Monday erupted in protest repeating the question “Where’s the bill?” Their emotional demand was directed at Speaker Paul Ryan and House Republicans to bring forth gun control legislation in the wake of the deadliest mass shooting in American history in which 49 people were killed and 53 wounded.
As more Democrats joined in on the chanting, Ryan refused acknowledge the calls and instead attempted to bring order to the floor.
The thing about the Orlando shooting is that it has so many elements – terrorism, homophobia, and even mental illness — that it allows the discussion to become diluted, and once again, our political leaders (well, the Republicans) can get away from having to do anything about the obvious problem…. guns.
It is a rather undeniable problem.
And Obama recently pointed out the insanity:
I just came from a meeting today in the Situation Room in which I have people who know we have been on ISIL websites, living here in the United States, US citizens, and we’re allowed to put them on the no fly list when it comes to airlines, but because of the National Rifle Association I cannot prohibit these people from buying a gun. This is somebody who is a known ISIL sympathizer and if he wants to walk into a gun store or a gun show and buy as much, as many weapons and ammo as he can, nothing is prohibiting him from doing that even though the FBI knows who that person is. So sir, I just have to say respectfully that there is a way to have common sense gun laws, there is a way to make sure that lawful, responsible gun owners, like yourself, are able to use it for sporting, hunting, protecting yourself. But the only way we’re going to be able to do that is if we don’t have a situation where anything that is proposed is viewed as some tyrannical destruction of the second amendment. And that is how the issue too often gets framed
In the wake of the Orlando gay nightclub massacre, Trump seized the opportunity to Muslim-bash in a national security speech, even though (as I will write soon) it looks less and less like the shooting was a bonafide Islamic terrorist attack.
1) Trump: There’s no screening for refugees coming to the US
We’re not screening people. So why don’t we have an effective screening system? We don’t. We’re being laughed at all over the world. The burden is on Hillary Clinton to tell us why we should admit anyone into our country who supports violence of any kind against gay and lesbian Americans.
The truth: Trump is wrong: There is an extensive, onerous screening process for refugees who come to America. You can see so yourself here.
2) Trump criticizes Libya intervention, supported it himself
For instance, the last major NATO mission was Hillary Clinton’s war in Libya. That mission helped unleash ISIS on a new continent.
The truth: Trump has repeatedly characterized Libya as a unique failure of President Obama and Hillary Clinton’s foreign policy. But he actively supported that intervention, even though he’s spent much of his candidacy pretending he didn’t.
3) Trump: Clinton wants to admit “hundreds of thousands” of refugees to the US
Altogether under the Clinton plan, you’d be admitting hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East with no system to prevent radicalization of the children and their children.
The truth: Trump is wrong here as well: Clinton has only called for increasing the number of Syrian refugees by 65,000, according to CNN.
4) Trump: The Orlando shooter was “born this Afghan”
The killer, whose name I will not use or ever say was born this Afghan, of Afghan parents, who emigrated to the United States.
The truth: Trump is wrong: Omar Saddiqui Mateen, the killer, was born in New York and raised in Florida.
5) Trump: “Large numbers” of Somali refugees joining ISIS
Large numbers of Somali refugees have tried to join ISIS. The male shooter in San Bernardino, again whose name I will not mention, was the child of immigrants from Pakistan and he brought his wife.
The truth: This dramatically misrepresents the number of Somali refugees from the US who have joined ISIS, which a New York Times story pegs at no more than 15. Perhaps Trump is speaking about Somali refugees globally, but given when he made this point — during a part of his speech about domestic terrorism — that’s almost certainly giving him too much credit.
6) Trump: Obama’s “famous apology tour” created ISIS
We’ve tried it President Obama’s way. Doesn’t work. He gave the world his apology tour. We got ISIS. And many other problems in return. That’s what we got. Remember the famous apology tour
The truth: There is a coherent conservative critique of President Obama’s speeches abroad, in which he has at times acknowledged America’s faults in foreign wars. And there is a coherent conservative critique of President Obama’s approach to defeating ISIS.
But Trump isn’t engaging with either narrative. He’s instead just drawing a direct link from Obama “apology tour” to the birth of ISIS, and I’m not aware of any serious attempt to connect the two. Trump certainly doesn’t give any reason to believe they’re related.
Even if you look at the supposed apologies that have to do with Islamic terrorism or the Muslim world, it’s not clear how they could have possibly created ISIS.
7) Trump: Hillary Clinton wants to ban guns
[Hillary Clinton] says the solution is to ban guns. … She wants to take away Americans’ guns and then admit the very people who want to slaughter us. Let them come into the country. We don’t have guns. …
She wants to take away Americans’ guns and then admit the very people who want to slaughter us. Let them come into the country. We don’t have guns. Let them come in, let them have all the fun they want.
The truth: Clinton has not called for anything remotely resembling a ban on guns — she wants to ban assault weapons but has otherwise not called for a gun ban. Someone listening to Trump’s speech would have come away with an entirely wrong idea of her policy.
8) Trump’s criticism on pushing for regime change in Syria
The decision to overthrow the regime in Libya, then pushing for the overthrow of the regime in Syria, among other things, without plans for the day after, have created space for ISIS to expand and grow.
The truth: As with his initial approval of the Libya invasion, Trump has grossly distorted his record on Syria. (As Vox’s Matt Yglesias points out, he once called for a “big, beautiful safe zone” in the country.)
The weirder, specific problem here is the knock on Clinton and Obama for creating ISIS by “pushing for the overthrow of the regime in Syria” — when Trump has himself calledfor ground troops in Syria.
9) Trump suggests Muslims need to do more to help fight terrorism
They have to work with us. They know what is going on. They know that he was bad. They knew the people in San Bernardino were bad. But you know, what they didn’t turn them in and we had death.
The truth: This line revives a long-running Trump suggestion that Muslims are largely to blame for not really joining us in the fight against terrorism.
“We have generals who think we can win this thing so fast and so strong but we have to be furious for a short period of time and we’re not doing it,” he said.
Why did Trump not mention the names of the generals who think this? Because they don’t exist, I expect. However, real, live military experts don’t feel that lobbing bombsin Syria would stop incidents like the one in Orlando.
“I fundamentally disagree,” said retired Army Lt. Gen. Mick Bednarek, who served as the chief U.S. military adviser in Iraq from 2013 to 2015. “The bottom line is [more bombing] has absolutely no bearing on individuals like Omar Mateen in Orlando, who obviously had some mental issues — like his absolute hatred of gays, lesbians and transgender community. Just wantonly increasing bombing against extremist radical groups in Iraq, Syria, etc. is not going to have a bearing on individuals in the United States and change their behavior.”
Several fatalities have been reported in shootings at multiple locations on Union Hill Road in Pike County just northeast of Peebles, according to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation.
Two adults and five children have been shot to death, according to Pastor Phil Fulton of the nearby Union Hill Church.
The number of fatalities is unconfirmed. Also unconfirmed is whether there is someone in custody.
UPDATE: Seven confirmed dead. Apparently all in a family. Bodies found in multiple locations throughout county.
Not two adults and five children, but five adults and two children. Found shot “execution-style”. No news on the suspect, but he must be either caught or dead since there is no news of a manhunt or lockdowns.
UPDATE #2: Make that right dead. Another adult found at a fourth location.
Yeah, it’s still a rallying cry for the lunatic right, who love to carry around the Constitution but haven’t bothered to have it read and explained to them (except by other lunatics).
Seven men are facing federal charges of conspiracy, weapon, theft and damaging government property charges in Portland, Oregon. Five of them appeared in court Friday and not surprisingly, it was a circus. I guess they don’t recognize the authority of the court over them.
Two sons of Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and three other men refused to enter pleas in federal court in Las Vegas to charges in an armed confrontation with government agents two years ago.
Magistrate Judge George Foley Jr. entered not guilty pleas on behalf of each man during a sometimes contentious arraignment that featured cat-calls and cheers from about 30 Bundy backers and defendants’ family members, under watchful eyes of about a dozen U.S. marshals.
“We don’t need any outbursts,” Foley warned from the U.S. District Court bench Friday. Twice he told the restive audience, “This is not a show.”
Oh, it will be. Here’s how I know (emphasis mine)
His brother and co-defendant, Ryan Bundy, professed to understand his rights but not the charges against him. He also said he wants to serve as his own lawyer.
Yup. Bundy is going to put The United States Government (a federal corporation) on trial!!
“You’re out of order! You’re out of order! This whole country’s out of order!”
Payne told the judge it was “preposterous, sir,” to have to defend himself against federal charges in two jurisdictions at the same time.
“I don’t understand the pretense of this level of government to bring forth such charges,” he added.
Brian Cavalier finished his arraignment — “I will not be entering a plea today,” he said — by offering federal prosecutors a pocket copy of the U.S. Constitution.
BRIDGEPORT – In a shot heard around the nation’s gun makers and dealers, a Superior Court judge Thursday refused to toss out the lawsuit by the families of the Sandy Hook victims against the manufacturer of the gun used by Adam Lanza to kill the 26 school children and teachers in December 2012.
Judge Barbara Bellis ruled that the federal law protecting gun makers from lawsuits does not override the “legal sufficiency” of the claims by the Sandy Hook families that the gun used by Lanza should never have been made available for sale to civilians.
The judge ruled the lawsuit will go on and all sides are to report to her courtroom on April 19 for a status conference.
In January 2015, the families of 10 victims of the Sandy Hook tragedy filed suit against the Remington Arms Company, the maker of the Bushmaster AR-15, used by Lanza, Camfour Holding LLC, the gun’s distributor and Riverview Sales, the store where Lanza’s mother bought the gun. They claimed the gun maker and sellers knew that civilians are unfit to operate the assault rifle and yet continue selling it to civilians disregarding the threat the gun poses.
The lawsuit also alleges that Remington and the other defendants “Unethically, oppressively, immorally and unscrupulously marketed and promoted the assaultive qualities and military uses of AR-15s to civilian purchasers.”
On Dec. 11, 2015, Remington, Camfour and the gun store asked Judge Bellis to throw out the lawsuit, claiming they are immune from the families’ claims under the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. A hearing on the defendants’ motion was held on Feb. 22.
PLCAA bars lawsuits against manufacturers and sellers of a product that is used in a criminal action.
However, in analyzing the federal law, Bellis points out that a federal court previously ruled that PLCAA states a lawsuit against a manufacturer may not be brought and the statement, “May not,” is not a clear statement from congress limiting the power of courts in the cases.
“The court concludes that any immunity that PLCAA may provide does not implicate this court’s subject matter jurisdiction,” Bellis ruled in her 18-page decision. “Accordingly, the defendants’ motions to dismiss, in which they claim that the court lacks subject matter jurisdiction, cannot be granted on the basis of PLCAA.”
It’s important to understand that this is a ruling on subject matter jurisdiction, i.e., whether the court has the power to decide the case at all. It has nothing to do with the merits of the case. Still, the PLCAA was, and still is, a huge obstacle in this lawsuit. Nice to have it beat out once.
A gunman killed three people in shootings that ended at a lawn care company in Kansas on Thursday, authorities said.
An additional 14 people were injured — 10 of whom are in critical condition at local hospitals.
The shooter was also killed by police, bringing the total number of fatalities to four.
Authorities first got calls about a man shooting from a vehicle in Newton about 5 p.m., the Harvey County Sheriff’s Office said.
Minutes later, there were reports of a shooting at Excel Industries, which makes lawn care equipment in Hesston, Kansas.
“Everybody says it can’t happen here,” Walton said. “And here we are. It happened here.”
The shooter, Cedric Ford, was served with a protection order 90 minutes before his shooting spree, and we can presume that was the “trigger” (no pun intended). He drove through two towns randomly shooting people before returning to his workplace.
Dane Gallion, 29, told officers he took the gun to Regal Cinemas 14 at the Landing on Thursday night because he was “concerned about recent mass shootings in public places,” according to a police account in a probable-cause statement released Saturday.
That same anxiety prompted him to keep the gun unholstered in his waistband, the statement says.
The shooting victim, a woman who was wounded in the shoulder, was in stable condition Saturday, according to a nursing supervisor at Harborview Medical Center in Seattle.
December 5, 1791
House of Representatives
How is it almost 1792?! Quick question on the right to bear arms thing in your “Bill of Rights”—the wording and punctuation are slightly confusing. Did you mean that the right of the people serving in the militia to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, or people in general? I’m assuming the former, but don’t want to make an ass of you and me! (Franklin made that up, but I’m using it everywhere!) Could you please send me a quick note whenever to clarify?
P.S. To be honest, I’m still meh about “Bill of Rights” as a name.
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December 7, 1791
Office of the Secretary of State
I know, it’s so crazy how fast this year has gone—I just got used to writing 1791 on my deeds of purchase (of slaves)!
As far as the amendment, of course it’s the former. If every private citizen had the right to carry a musket, a thousand people would’ve shot Patrick Henry by now, am I right? Don’t worry about it. Everyone will know what it means.
P.S. You’re not back on “The Ten Amendments” are you? It’s trying way too hard to sound Biblical.
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December 9, 1791
House of Representatives
Hahaha re: Patrick Henry. And I agree it should be obvious. It’s just, why not make it so clear that even the biggest Anti-Federalist looney tune can’t misinterpret the meaning? I’d add “while serving in the militia” to line three. Also, not to be a grammar redcoat here, but the use and placement of the comma isn’t helping. Can we change it? It will take two seconds.
I know I’m being annoying!
P.S. How about “Constitution, Part Two?” (Not a serious pitch, unless you like it!)
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December 11, 1791
Office of the Secretary of State
There is literally zero chance that anyone will misconstrue this, and the great news is that if someone actually does, the Supreme Court will set them straight. I don’t want to change it. It won’t take two seconds, because the addition would push a page and I’d have to do the whole rest of it over again and W. is breathing down my neck about it. Plus, I like the way my signature looks on the version I sent you, and you know I always hate the way it looks on important stuff.
Not trying to be snippy, but you’re worrying about nothing.
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December 13, 1791
House of Representatives
I know, I know—I’m the worst. Just hear me out. Imagine it’s some two hundred years from now. Musket makers have made new and more powerful muskets—ones that are capable of firing two or even three shots per minute—and, in an effort to sell more, they claim that every homeowner should have the right to own one, or two, or twenty. They bribe politicians to advance their cause, they stoke public fears of crime and federal tyranny, and they manage to exploit this slightly confusing language and comma placement to claim that we originally intended to give every private citizen the right to own as many muskets (and for that manner, cannons!) as they can get their hands on. And because in this version of the future (just bear with me here) we’ve had such a run of Anti-Federalist Presidents, the Court is packed with men who might agree. Isn’t there the slightest chance that this could happen?
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December 15, 1791
Office of the Secretary of State
You know I love you, but we seriously need to get this ratified, like, today, or W. will have my ass. There is no way that what you’re talking about could come to pass. It’s too ridiculous. The amendment goes before Congress as written.
Besides, if anyone ever needs to confirm our intention two hundred years from now, they need only consult any decent spiritualist to communicate with our ghosts. If muskets can fire three shots per minute in your future, I’m sure mediums will have become even better at their jobs, too.
White House insiders have long said that the worst day of Obama’s presidency was the day of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.
What should have been a 9/11 moment for the whole nation turned out to be nothing — as in nothing changed. Congress voted against reasonable laws like universal background checks.
It is clear that Obama, facing his last year as president, is not going to rest on his laurels. Gun violence has killed 146 people in the United States this year. And it is only January 5. The Republican controlled Congress has passed nothing relating to gun control. Today he made a moving, and largely extemporaneous (in parts), speech announcing his intentions.
Here’s what the Obama administration plans to do:
The federal government will issue guidance that will narrow who can sell guns without a federal license, based on an evaluation of the circumstances surrounding individual gun sales. The idea is to reduce the number of for-profit dealers — as opposed to collectors or people who only give or sell guns to family members or friends — who avoid background checks, whether they’re at a store, at a gun show, on the internet, or anywhere else.
The FBI will hire more than 230 more people to help run background checks — an increase of more than 50 percent to the current staff. Lynch said this was in part needed to keep up with rising demand. “We’re looking to improve the efficiency and response time of the system,” she said.
The government will also require background checks for people who try to buy restricted firearms through a legal entity, such as a corporation or trust. People were able to avoid background checks in the past through these entities.
The Department of Health and Human Services will finalize a rule regarding health record privacy laws to remove barriers to states providing mental health records to the background check system.
The administration will enforce tighter rules for reporting guns that are lost or stolen on their way to the buyer to make it easier for law enforcement to track down missing firearms.
Federal agencies will encourage and fund more research into technologies that can make guns safer, largely to reduce the risk of accidents.
In addition to these measures, the administration will continue pushing Congress to pass tighter gun control laws, and to direct more funds to enforcing existing gun laws and to mental health treatment.
This last part is particularly good, because it addresses one aspect of gun control that is rarely discussed — suicides:
As of this writing the proposal has not been formally announced but it’s reported that he will issue executive orders to close the “private seller” loophole, which would require everyone who sells a gun as a business transaction to submit a background check. (As it is now, only licensed dealers have to do this.) It’s also expected that he’ll issue an order requiring that licensed dealers report lost or stolen guns to the authorities. It’s hard for me to believe that these slight reinterpretations of the law are even controversial but apparently making gun ownership subject to any sort of oversight is tantamount to a coup.
There is little doubt the administration anticipated the furious reaction, so one assumes they are happy to draw attention to the issue. After all, polling shows that the vast majority of Americans — and gun owners — are in favor of such commonsense gun safety regulations. Nonetheless, this will likely end up in court with a number of legal issues at stake and the gun lobby dedicated to filling its coffers on the backs of gun owners who don’t actually need to worry about any of these very mild restrictions.
In today’s White House press conference, President Obama teared up as he spoke about the victims of gun violence, especially the children massacred at Newtown.
Many conservatives took this opportunity to show themselves once again as utterly heartless sociopaths. Some are suggesting that Obama’s tears are fake.
Obama touching his eyes JUST BEFORE the tears came. He’s putting something in his eyes to create the fascist tears. pic.twitter.com/U3KBwM5L6X
You would think this would be 24/7 headline news, but it isn’t. The terrorist takeover began Sunday morning, but the regular news outlets barely covered it. Only on Twitter was it discussed at any length, thanks to the hashtag #OregonUnderAttack.
Now that it is a regular non-holiday workday, the media is starting to report it. Before then, the only real outlet covering the story was The Oregonian.
What’s at the center of this issue is the federal land management, and two people: Dwight Hammond, age 73, and his son Steve Hammond, age 46. These men are ranchers in Oregon. Strap yourselves in.
Hammond Ranches owns about 12,000 acres in the Diamond-Frenchglen area. They use this ground to run cattle during the winter. Until two years ago the Hammonds used 26,420 acres of land belonging to the U.S. Bureau of Land Management for summer grazing (the U.S. government gives out grazing permits).
Now, when it comes to ranching, fire is an important tool. It is used to burn invasive species that crowd out native grass and other plants. Fire can kill those pests, leaving plenty of grazing (on the non-burned grass/plants) for the cattle.
The problem is, fire is also a threat. Recent wildfires have scorched hundreds of thousands of acres in this territory, putting the ground off limits for grazing. Cattle have been killed in the runaway blazes, and lives endangered.
In 1999, Dwight Hammond got a stern letter from the local manager for the federal land bureau saying that Steve Hammond had set a fire that spread to federal ground. The letter said Steve told officials in a subsequent meeting that he “did not believe there was any way to control fire behavior or where it would burn, and that he did not take any action to prevent the fire from burning.” Nevertheless, the Hammonds got off with a warning.
The problem started with two more fires set by the Hammonds — one in 2001 and one in 2006.
The fire in 2001 was a simple prescribed burn. According to Steve and Dwight Hammond, it was intended to take out invasive juniper. But federal prosecutors said the men’s real motive for starting the blaze, which consumed 139 acres and forestalled grazing for two seasons, was to cover up evidence of an illegal slaughter of deer. The government presented evidence that Steven Hammond called an emergency dispatcher to ask if it was OK to burn — roughly two hours after they already lit the fire. His attorney said in court that Hammond called the land bureau beforehand.
The government acknowledged that the next fire, in 2006, was intended as a defensive move. Steve Hammond set backfires to keep a lightning-caused fire from burning onto the Hammonds’ ranch and hitting their winter feed. But the government said Steve Hammond lit up on the flanks of a butte, despite a countywide burn ban and the knowledge that young part-time firefighters were camped up higher. Their crew boss spotted the fires, which were set at night, and moved the crew, but campers and others were in danger.
The two men were indicted and convicted in 2010 on federal arson charges. On top of sentencing for arson, they also faced sentencing under the federal Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, which reads in pertinent part:
SEC. 708. ENHANCED PENALTIES FOR USE OF EXPLOSIVES OR ARSON CRIMES.
(a) In General.--Section 844 of title 18, United States Code, is
(1) in subsection (e), by striking ``five'' and inserting
(2) by amending subsection (f) to read as follows:
``(f)(1) Whoever maliciously damages or destroys, or attempts to
damage or destroy, by means of fire or an explosive, any building,
vehicle, or other personal or real property in whole or in part owned or
possessed by, or leased to, the United States, or any department or
agency thereof, shall be imprisoned for not less than 5 years and not
more than 20 years, fined under this title, or both.
Hammonds’ lawyers argued that the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 did not apply to the Hammonds — after all, they weren’t terrorists.
But the government argued that it didn’t matter. The portion that dealt with enhanced penalties for explosion and arson crimes did not say the defendant HAD to be a “terrorist”.
You can understand why this was part of the law. Timothy McVeigh blew up the Murrow Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995, killing 168 people, including children. The assumption behind Section 708 of the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (quoted above) was… well, if you are blowing up or setting fire to federal property, you must be a terrorist.
To his credit (in my opinion), U.S. District Judge Michael Hogan opined that although Section 708 applied to the crime committed by the Hammonds, Congress did not intend it to apply to people like the Hammonds. A five year prison term would be unconstitutional as cruel and unusual punishment, the judge said. “It would be a sentence which would shock the conscience,” Hogan added before sentencing Dwight to three months and Steve to one year.
The two men served their time, but the District Attorney appealed the case to the Ninth Circuit. The Ninth Circuit reasonably ruled (in my opinion) that Section 708 set out a mandatory sentence of “not less than five years”. The words “shall be” (which I emboldened above) are not “may be”.
So, the Hammonds were ordered back to prison to serve a five year sentence each. They are supposed to start serving today.
But believe it or not, this has little to do with the Hammonds’ sentence.
Federal agencies own and regulate huge chunks of land in western states like Oregon and Nevada. The United States of America holds deed to three-fourths of Harney County. Ranching done for a century and more is under pressure from environmentalists, recreationalists, and hunters.
As such, those with anti-government views, particularly in western states, often focus on the federal government ‘s land-use policies. The plight of the Hammonds has become a rallying call for one militia and patriot group after another. Men who see tyranny in federal acts are standing for the two men. The Hammonds’ case — and the change to their sentencing, just further fed into views of a tyrannical federal government out of control.
For example, the federal government sued the Hammonds for $1 million the costs of fighting the fires that they set. In late 2014, the Hammonds settled the lawsuit, agreeing the federal government $400,000. That has been paid.
But the settlement also required the Hammonds to give the land bureau first chance at buying a particular ranch parcel adjacent to public land if they intended to sell. For some, this is evidence that the government was going after the Hammonds in order to increase its property holdings — a “land grab” the “militia” members would say. There is little evidence to support that.
So how did the yahoos get involved? Well, on Saturday, members of the militia attended a demonstration in Burns, Oregon. The purpose was to protest the Hammonds’ case. After the protest, the militiamen drove to the wildlife refuge and took it over.
It seems that the militiamen may have initially planned to seize the wildlife refuge headquarters in order to establish a “sanctuary” where the Hammonds could go to evade prison.
One of the most outspoken of the militia-terrorists is Ammon Bundy, whose father Cliven Bundy became a Fox News star in 2014 for his armed standoff in Nevada with the federal government over cattle-grazing rights. (see earlier postings about that controversy). His brother Ryan is another occupier.
What do they want? Ammon talked to some press people:
The group is demanding that the Hammonds be released and that the federal government give up control of the Malheur National Forest.
As Ammon Bundy sees it, the locals are “not strong enough” to stand up for themselves, so the militia must act as the “tip of the spear” and lead the fight on behalf of the locals.
Thus, Bundy and his fellow militiamen have seized the headquarters of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge — located in a remote area some 50 miles southeast of the city of Burns — in hopes of creating a “base” where “patriots” like themselves can come, with their guns, to live and make their stand against the “tyrannical” federal government. Several pickup trucks blocked the entrance to the refuge Sunday, with armed men wearing camouflage and winter gear stationed outside. The exact number of armed men is unknown. It’s worth nothing that the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge visitors’ center is probably one of the least critical spots to occupy in all of the United States.
So far, it’s not going well for these “patriots”. It turns out that the Hammonds don’t actually want the militia’s help — or at least, not anymore.
At first, according to the Oregonian, the Hammonds “accepted the militia’s offer of help to avoid prison.” But they “changed their minds after being warned by federal prosecutors to stop communicating with the militia” and have now “professed through their attorneys that they had no interest in ignoring the order to report for prison.”
Ammon also tried to recruit residents from the surrounding area, reportedly meeting with 10 or so locals, but they all turned him down.
The Oregonian interviewed some locals who expressed sympathy for the Hammonds and for the militia’s “constitutional arguments” but ultimately rejected the militia for its extremism.
The militia, the local fire chief told the newspaper, “seems like a bunch of people ready to shoot. I don’t want that in my county.”
Chatter on right wing blogs about the story is muted. Breitbart News hasn’t touched it, except for one transitional paragraph at the start of a story recapping the Cliven BBundy matter in Nevada.
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz said he hoped that the protesters would step aside, adding that “our prayers right now are with everyone involved in what’s happening with Oregon, and especially those in law enforcement that are risking their lives.”
“Every one of us has a constitutional right to protest, to speak our minds. But we don’t have a constitutional right to use force and violence and to threaten force and violence on others,” he said. “And so it is our hope that the protesters there will stand down peaceably, that there will not be a violent confrontation.”
Florida Sen. Marco Rubio decried the occupation as “lawless” and urged those involved in the standoff to pursue what they wanted through more lawful, constructive means.
But that’s not what they intend to do. According to an Oregonian reporter…
I talked to Ryan Bundy on the phone again. He said they’re willing to kill and be killed if necessary. #OregonUnderAttack
But now, as the sun comes up, the FBI has arrived and set up a briefing center. The Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, and local schools in the area are closed today. I feel bad for The City of Burns Police Department which has three officers – the Chief and two officers – and an administrative assistant.
All told, this appears to be an act of terrorism. When it comes to the Hammond arsons — yes, I can easily see why that was NOT terrorism. But armed men taking over a federal building and demanding land — that’s insurrection, if not domestic terrorism.
And needless to say, the disparity in news coverage as well as law enforcement response, which compared to — say — Ferguson (where protesters had no guns and took no federal property) is astounding. Also, they are being called “protesters”, rather than terrorists.
It is unclear how this will play out. But soime people are serious. Here’s one guy saying the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is a tyrannical agency so he has made a suicide video and has promised to die for “the constitution.”
P.S. Most of Oregon used to be Indian land. Now we see a bunch of white guys complaining about a tyrannical oppressive government. Irony.
To be continued….
UPDATE: The terrorists want you to join them “to prevent bloodshed”…
UPDATE: This is a slow-moving story. I guess the government tactic is to wait them out until they get bored. Which means no developments for days, weeks, or maybe even months. But….
#Breaking: Oregon militia now wants to be known as “Citizens for Constitutional Freedom.”
The FBI is working closely with state police, and FBI officials are busy establishing a public information office in Burns. But due to a number of factors — the crisis is unfolding in a remote part of Oregon; it doesn’t appear to be a life-or-death situation; and there are no hostages involved — law enforcement officials want to avoid unnecessarily escalating the standoff, the source said. The FBI instead hopes to get a better handle on the situation over the next few days.
The FBI will not be releasing specific information about law enforcement movements, but it is working with local law enforcement agencies to “bring a peaceful resolution to the situation at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge,” officials from the bureau said in a statement.
For now, there are no sirens, no police cars zooming to the seized building and no SWAT teams arriving in armored vehicles. In the parking lot of the refuge’s headquarters building, journalists mingle freely with activists. The 30-mile stretch of road between Burns and the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, where the militants are holed up, is snowy and barren.
There certainly is no point in emphasizing the damn irony that Ohio is an “open carry” state so, even if the cops assumed Rice was 18, and they also assumed his gun was real, they had no cause even to stop him, let alone open fire. Listen to the spiel that Wayne LaPierre unspools every time he’s in a room with more than four people listening: arm yourselves, because the world is a hellscape of violent Others who are coming for you and your children. At its heart, open carry is about open season on the people who scare you. It’s certainly not about an absolute Second Amendment right that applies to black people as well as white. Open carry is about You and the Others, and so is the training of our modern, militarized police forces. If only Tamir Rice had not been born with that congenital ability to become huge and threatening the way he did in the mind of Timothy Loehmann. If only…
The prosecutor — who (half-heartedly, I’m sure) presented the case to the Grand Jury (which failed to hand down any indictments) — said that the officers followed policy.
Open-carry activists plan to stage a mock mass shooting Saturday at the University of Texas at Austin to protest gun-free zones on campus.
The Open Carry Walk and Crisis Performance Event will have actors “shot” by fake shooters with cardboard weapons and the sounds of gunshots via a bullhorn, according to the Austin American-Statesman. A walk down a street that borders the campus, in which participants are encouraged to bring their “rifles and legal pistols,” will precede the performance.
“It’s a fake mass shooting and we’ll use fake blood,” Matthew Short, spokesman for gun rights groups Come and Take It Texas and DontComply.com, told the newspaper.
So let me get this straight. Everyone brings their real guns, and then they conduct a massacre using cardboard guns. All to show that there should be no gun-free zones.
Pretty messed up. Seems to me like those who want guns NOT on campus would be staging a bloody protest ritual.
There seems to be a backlash to this almost reflexive (and increasingly meaningless) response to mass shootings, best exemplified by the cover of today’s New York Daily News:
There has also been a backlash to the backlash. Christians got offended at what is being called “thoughts and prayers shaming”. The Weekly Standard offered a headline that blared,“Liberal Outrage Over Prayers for Shooting Victims.” And the American Conservative predictably complained that “We have reached the point in our culture in which leading voices on the Left feel compelled to shout from the rooftops condemnation on Christians for offering something as ordinary and decent as prayers for atrocity victims as a first response to news of the killings. Think about that for a moment. When the simple offering of prayers for the dead and wounded are grounds for spiteful attack, it is hard to avoid wondering just what commonalities bind us as Americans anymore.” And Fox & Friends First tweeted out “Prayer Shaming After Mass Shooting: While GOP Calls For Prayers, Mainstream Media Mocks Them.” Here’s Rand Paul:
Uh no. What is being attacked is offering “thoughts and prayers” in the absence of action. Nothing wrong with “thoughts and prayers” itself, especially if….
Your “thoughts” should be about steps to take to stop this carnage. Your “prayers” should be for forgiveness if you do nothing – again. — Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) December 2, 2015
That’s a good point. I suspect that most of these politicians don’t actually pray at all. I wish they could be asked, what do you think about? What to you pray for? Peace for the family’s of the victims, certainly — but is that IT? What are you doing to make sure you aren’t thinking about and praying for FUTURE victims’ families? Today’s Internet belongs to Mary Beth Williams at Slate, if only for writing this:
It’s not prayer shaming to say that a lot of us — a lot of us who find comfort in prayer — are sick of the very people whose rhetoric and policies are helping perpetuate a culture of death hiding helplessly behind God whenever blood is shed. Which happens to occur quite often.
Also related: Look how the other New York tabloid changed its cover:
Later on —
Blatant bigotry aside, it’s also important to call out the Post’s inconsistent focus on religion in the aftermath of mass shootings in America. After last Friday’s Planned Parenthood shooting in Colorado, the paper not only failed to feature the story on its front page, its editors opted not to label the shooter a “Christian Killer” in any accompanying stories.
They have been identified as Syed Rizwan Farook, 28, and Tashfeen Malik, 27.
Farook was an environmental specialist who had worked for the county health department for five years.
Farook attended a holiday party for county employees earlier that day.
Farook left the party under circumstances that were decribed by witnesses as “angry”
Farook returned maybe half an hour later with Malik. Farook and Malik both were armed with .223-caliber assault-style rifles and semi-automatic pistols.
They also were wearing attack gear and brought some explosive devices
14 people were killed at the holiday party.
The couple fled in a black SUV before law enforcement intercepted them hours later.
Both were killed in a shootout with police, who tracked them to a home in nearby Redlands.
A third person was detained, but police said they hadn’t determined whether that person was involved
The Los Angeles Times has reported that Malik had recently married Farook after meeting him online.
Farook was born in the U.S.
Co-workers described him as a devout Muslim to the Los Angeles Times, but said he rarely discussed religion.
Farook had traveled to Saudi Arabia to apparently attend Hajj pilgrimage
Farook and Malin had a six month old daughter,who they left with Farook’s mother that morning, saying they had a doctor’s appointment.
Neither one was on the FBI terrorist watch list.
The question on everyone’s lips: was it terrorism or not?
On the one hand, it appears to be a workplace revenge situation. He got into a fight at a holiday party, left angry, came back, and started shooting up the place.
But what is undeniable is that there was planning involved. They had improvised explosive devices, which had to be made well in advance. They had the gear and extra ammo.
So here are the theories:
(1) This was workplace revenge (non a terrorist attack)
(2) The fight/party was a ruse (or coincidental) and this was a terrorist attack all along (perhaps they intended to go on and hit other soft targets).
(3) They were planning a terrorist attack somewhere, which is why they had the equipment, but something work-related triggered Farook, and at the last minute, he decided (with his wife) to shoot up the workplace.
In other words, it was a workplace revenge attack (not terrorism) or an Islamic-based attack (terrorism) or some combination of the two.
#1 seems unlikely simply because of the preparedness — the IEDs etc. That leaves #2 or #3, and I lean toward #3 because the left the baby with the mother that morning and lied about having a doctor appointment. I think they knew that day what was going to happen.
Now, it still is an odd choice for a target, unless you take into account that he knew the building. And the lack of “Allah Akbar” is unusual. And it is unusual that they radical background could be so hidden.
We don’t know the motives for sure, and the FBI is still not saying whether this is terrorism or not. Time will tell.
Matt Pearce has a wonderful tweet about how Ted Cruz interprets these events when it is a Christian shooter versus a Muslim shooter:
(1) When the gunman is Christian and you know little, versus (2) When the gunmen are Muslim and you know little. pic.twitter.com/Kw6000dU5i
Not surprisingly, Cruz won’t acknowledge Christian terrorism even when the motive is known, but will call out Islamic terrorism when the motive is still murky.
UPDATE: CNN is saying that Farook was in touch with more than one international terrorism subjects. That seems to end the debate.
UPDATE #2: It seems that the couple were re-armed for a second attack, after stopping at home (presumably to get more supplies). But police fortunately intervened. Also, twelve pipe bombs were found in home of the suspect.
We also know that the shooters fired 65 to 75 rounds at the holiday party and 76 more during police pursuit, according to the SB police chief.
Also, number of injured raise to 21.
The brother of the San Bernardino shooter is a decorated veteran of the U.S. Navy, a spokesperson told BuzzFeed News.
Syed Raheel Farook enlisted in August 2003 and left the service in August 2007.
He was awarded the National Defense Service Medal, Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, Global War on Terrorism Service Medal, and Sea Service Deployment Ribbon, Navy records show.
Syed Raheel Farook was an Information System Technician, Third Class. He was on duty on the USS Enterprise; in the Surface Warfare Officer School Unit, in Great Lakes, IL; and at the Recruit Training Command, in Great Lakes, IL.
He was an Enlisted Surface Warfare Specialist and won the Good Conduct Medal, records show.
His brother, Syed Rizwan Farook and sister-in-law are suspected of a mass shooting that killed 14 on Wednesday. They both died in a shootout with police.
3:40 pm: It’s hard to see a political motive here, at least a right wing one. It’s possible they thought it was an abortion clinic (Planned Parenthood is nearby). I guess time will tell.
San Benadino PD confirm to MSNBC that “shooting suspect had tactical gear”.
The Los Angeles Times is reporting that police are searching for an SUV that fled the scene of the San Bernardino, Calif., shooting, according to sources. The organization also reports that police detonated a suspicious device found on the premises. This information has not been confirmed by authorities. It is still unclear exactly how many shooters were involved
4:30 pm: Witness tells ABC affiliate reporter that an event honoring County personnel was going on in the conference center at IRC. Shooters entered there.
Apparently, no shooters caught, but fatalities have been confirmed.
6:15pm 14 dead, 17 injured.
One suspect down and apparently dead. A second suspect and possibly a third in a black SUV next to the dead suspect and surrounded by police who are negotiating a non-violent surrender.
Motives and background of suspects unknown, but this thing is close to over.
ALERT CAROLINA TIMELY WARNING: Unconfirmed report of armed person near ROTC Building / Venable Hall
12/02/2015, 8:57 a.m.
Unconfirmed report of armed person near ROTC Building / Venable Hall
ALERT CAROLINA TIMELY WARNING: Unconfirmed report of armed person near ROTC Building / Venable Hall
UNC Chapel Hill Police are investigating the report of an armed individual near the campus NROTC Building and Venable Hall. The report is unconfirmed at this time, but the campus is asked to shelter in place.
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Pic from WRAL:
UPDATE: Never mind?
Alert Carolina siren going off again, this time it is all clear.
I’ve been vacationing and the holidays and yada yada, so there’s been light blogging lately.
The big news that I missed was a terrorist attack here on the United States, although whether to call it a “terrorist attack” seems to be arguable. I’m talking of course about the shooter at Planned Parenthood. On Saturday, November 27, a shooting and five-hour standoff with police occurred at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado. A police officer and two civilians were killed; five police officers and four civilians were injured. Police convinced the suspected shooter, identified as Robert Lewis Dear, to surrender. He was taken into custody after a standoff that lasted five hours. Yesterday, Dear was charged with murder in the first-degree, and was ordered to be held without bond.
It wasn’t hard to surmise his motive or political leanings, especially when he told the police “no more baby parts” and was known to have passed out anti-Obama literature. Obviously, when you are trying to affect political or social change through the use of violence, that is the definition of terrorism — yet Republican candidates seem to have a hard time calling it this. When a reporter told Ted Cruz that the suspect in the Colorado Springs killings is alleged to have mentioned “baby parts” after his arrest, the Texas senator responded, “Well, it’s also been reported that he was registered as an independent and a woman and transgendered leftist activist, if that’s what he is.” Cruz was likely citing a report from The Gateway Pundit, a right-wing blog, that uncovered a Colorado state voter registration form which lists Dear’s gender as female. (Occam’s Razor suggests it was likely a clerical error — and it was).
On Fox News Sunday, Carly Fiorina called alleged killer Robert Lewis Dear “deranged’ and lamented that the shooting took place on a “holiday weekend,” before zeroing in on the real tragedy: the unfair treatment of Carly Fiorina by pro-choice activists and the left. Host Chris Wallace asked Fiorina if she saw a link between overheated anti-choice rhetoric and violence by abortion opponents. Fiorina, who at the second GOP debate regaled viewers with a grisly and entirely false story about Planned Parenthood workers yanking the brain out of a “living, kicking” fetus, failed to see how her words might inspire someone to take drastic action, adding:
“This is so typical of the left to immediately begin demonizing the messenger because they don’t agree with the message…. Anyone who tries to link this terrible tragedy to anyone who opposes abortion or opposes the sale of body parts is … this is typical left-wing tactics.”
The link was made, however, not by the leftwing, but by the gunman himself. Fiorina advanced the inflammatory lie that Planned Parenthood makes a profit from trafficking in fetal body parts. In fact, the fetal tissue is turned over for medical research, with the attendant fees used to cover expenses.
Ben Carson responded to the attack by wishing everyone would be a little more polite. He then politely blamed Planned Parenthood for the shooting. Asked if extremist rhetoric emboldens domestic terrorists, Carson argued that “both sides” are to blame for vilifying each other. A fair point, perhaps, although nobody is shooting up Focus On The Family. Personally, I think it is okay to villify terrorists.
Donald Trump briefly approximated humanness on Chuck Todd’s Meet the Press Sunday, calling the shooting “a terrible thing.” Seconds later the GOP candidate returned to form, denouncing Planned Parenthood and essentially blaming the organization for making Trump supporters angry.
Mike Huckabee had the guts to call the shooting an act of domestic terrorism and mass murder. “There’s no legitimizing, there’s no rationalizing. It was mass murder. It was absolutely unfathomable,” he said. But then he went on to equate what happened with abortion, which is legal. He accused Planned Parenthood, which provides health services to low-income women, of mass murder, engaging in exactly the kind of extreme rhetoric that might convince an unhinged person the group is deserving of violent attack. “And there’s no excuse for killing other people, whether it’s happening inside the Planned Parenthood headquarters, inside their clinics where many millions of babies die, or whether it’s people attacking Planned Parenthood,” he said.
The point is that what happened in Colorado Springs is just an extreme example of a long line of terrorist actions against Planned Parenthood, which include threats, murders, and bombings. Back in September, CBS reported that the FBI had noticed an uptick in attacks on reproductive health care facilities since the first video was released by the anti-abortion group Center for Medical Progress (CMP). There were nine criminal or suspicious incidents (including cyber attacks, threats, and arsons) from July, when the videos first came out, through mid-September.
An FBI Intelligence Assessment at the time found these attacks were “consistent with the actions of lone offenders using tactics of arsons and threats all of which are typical of the pro-life extremist movement.” Moreover, the report said it was “likely criminal or suspicious incidents will continue to be directed against reproductive health care providers, their staff and facilities.”
Less than two weeks after CBS reported that, another abortion clinic was firebombed in California. It was the fourth arson at a Planned Parenthood location in as many months.
Did you hear the one about the guy in Colorado walking around a quiet neighborhood with a rifle in plain sight, and an observant woman called 911 and was told by the 911 dispatcher that Colorado had an open carry law so they couldn’t stop him? And then he shot and killed three people, all of which might have been prevented if the police were allowed to stop people walking around with loaded rifles?
Denver-area law enforcement agencies say their response to armed people in public varies on the circumstances.
“Is this person exercising their rights or about to start a very serious situation in which someone is going to be killed?” said Jacki Kelley, spokeswoman for the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Office. “We just don’t know the difference.”
This is Sean Smith when he was 10. Hes with his little sister Erin, age eight. This photo was taken the day before he unintentionally shot and killed her.
There are around 110 fatal shootings involving children under 14 each year, according to a new study. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention finds that at least another 1,000 are shot but survive.
Dr. Ben Carson recently asserted that if guns had not been confiscated from Jews then Hitler would have had more trouble orchestrating the Holocaust.
Jonathan Greenblatt, National Director of the Anti-Defamation Leauge, quickly objected, stating that there were few firearms available to Jews in Germany in 1938 and that surrendering them did not measurably contribute to the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state.
Ben Carson is right, and Jonathan Greenblatt is wrong.
For the record, I have hosted a fundraiser for Dr. Carson, but I was also born a Jew and have studied the Holocaust. And I have spoken before the Anti-Defamation League in the past.
The wisest answer to a government that insists its citizens disarm is, “Over my dead body.”
What Greenblatt fails to account for is that the surrendering of firearms by Jews when required to by Nazi authorities was not merely the surrender of guns and ammunition. Those material items would not have been sufficient to defend against the Third Reich’s military.
The mindset that Jews surrendered with their guns is far more important than the hardware they turned over: They surrendered the demonstrated intention, at all costs, to resist being deprived of liberty. If Jews in Germany had more actively resisted the Nazi party or the Nazi regime and had diagnosed it as a malignant and deadly cancer from the start, there would, indeed, have been a chance for the people of that country and the world to be moved to action by their bold refusal to be enslaved.
Yes, that would have required immeasurable courage. Yes, that would have required unspeakable losses. But is that not the lesson of the Old Testament? Does not Abraham bind his son Issac to an altar, willing to sacrifice his son’s life to God’s Word—to the truth? Must not we all be ready to sacrifice ourselves to stand in the way of evil?
Granted, I was not there. Granted, hindsight is 20/20. But it turns out it was a bad idea for any Jew to have turned over a gun. It was a bad idea for any Jew to have boarded a train. It was a bad idea for any Jew to have passed through a gate into a camp. It was a bad idea for any Jew to do any work at any such camp. It was a bad idea for any Jew to not attempt to crush the skull or scratch out the eyes of any Nazi who turned his back for one moment. And every bullet that would have been fired into a Nazi coming to a doorway to confiscate a gun from a Jew would have been a sacred bullet.
To me, Jonathan Greenblatt seems to have forgotten those iconic words, “Never Again.” Thank God that men like Ben Carson remind us of them.
The wisest answer to a government that insists its citizens disarm is, “Over my dead body.” It would seem to be the end of any discussion and the beginning of active, heroic resistance. Because it is very hard to imagine that disempowering citizens by having them render themselves defenseless can lead to anything good. It is very likely a sign that the culture has fallen ill and that an epidemic of enslavement of one kind or another is on the horizon.
No, Dr. Ablow, you weren’t there, and yes, Dr. Ablow, hindsight is 20/20. And let’s remember that thousands of Jews resisted in Germany, in the Warsaw ghetto, in France, and everywhere else. And while brave and heroic, it simply resulted in expediting their deaths, and the death of others. Hell, Kristellnacht happened ostensibly because an armed Jew shot and killed a German officer. As a result, 30,000 were arrested and incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps.Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers, Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone) and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged. Over 100 Jews were killed. From one Jew with one gun. I don’t care how many handguns you and your friends have — you simply cannot rise against a superpower that has machine guns, aircraft, and — you know — tanks.
Truthfully, we do not have to wonder what would happen if Germany’s Jews had guns and numbers and a tradition of organized violence. Nazis hardly started with the Jews. First they had to deal with the German Communist Party.
Where Jews were for the most part a random selection of middle class Germany, the Communists were a different story. German Communists had an organization and violent ruthlessness that rivaled Hitler’s gang during the Weimar era. In fact the entirely legitimate threat of a revolution in Germany (they tried a few times and nearly pulled it off once) goes a long way to explaining why German nationalists and business leaders would play ball with an obvious nut like Hitler in the first place.
So yes, the Communists were spoiling for a chance to make the brownshirts come take their guns from their cold, dead hands. When the brownshirts got ahold of state power, first in Bavaria and then everywhere, they did exactly that. And then there were no more Communists in Germany.
So much for arming yourselves against the Nazis.
But this is the conservative myth, and wet dream. They want to rise against their own government some day — at least, that is the fantasy. So if you have that mindset, you have to blame the Jews for their own demise.
Daily Beast columnist Megan McArdle has figured it out. The mass shooting problem. We don’t have to debate it anymore.
In a long screed at the Daily Beast entitled “There’s Little We Can Do to Prevent Another Massacre”, McArdle goes through all the proposals out there — banning certain guns, taxing or banning ammunition, greater checks on the mentally ill, etc. — and basically rejects them all out of hand. Why? Because the Newtown shooter would have been successful anyway even if those laws and policies had been enacted.
This is crazy logic, and I’ve been reading it a lot lately. Basically, what McArdle and others are saying is this: if a law or policy can’t stop all mass shootings, then there is no point in enacting it. Case in point:
Reducing the body counts a bit is obviously a very worthy project; I am okay with outlawing magazines that contain more than ten bullets. But this will in no way prevent people from going on murderous rampages. We are not talking about an end to spree killing, only about a (perhaps) very slight reduction in its deadliness.
Can you imagine if that logic was applied to, say, automobile safety? “Well, setting speed limits aren’t going to prevent ALL car accidents, so what’s the point of having speed limits at all?”. Insanity, right?
McArdle is, of course, being the good libertarian (“government is not the answer”), but she takes this to a new level, virtually sneering at these ideas and saying it is “easy and satisfying to be for ‘gun control’ in the abstract, but we cannot pass gun control, in the abstract.”
After rejecting all the various proposals out there as insufficient, McArdle takes on the tired strawman… banning ALL guns, which nobody is seriously suggesting.
Self-conscious that she is doing the easy essay of poking holes in others’ solutions, McArdle forces herself to come with a solution of her own, And here is where she gets crazy:
I’d also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once. Would it work? Would people do it? I have no idea; all I can say is that both these things would be more effective than banning rifles with pistol grips.
So, in sum: the chances of achieving anything with any gun legislation are so low that in these circumstances, people should resign themselves to probable death by running at the person firing a gun in the hope that enough people will follow that their likely death will not be in vain.
“Would it work?” is sort of an odd question for McArdle to ask. (especially since her answer is “I have no idea”), but it makes me wonder exactly what her metric of success is.
I would say more, but what Jonathan Chait points out at NY Magazine is more than adequate:
Are you kidding me? You think gun control is impractical, so your plan is to turn the entire national population, including young children, into a standby suicide squad? Through private initiative, of course. It’s way more feasible than gun control!
Unless I am missing a very subtle parody of libertarianism, McArdle’s plan to teach children to launch banzai charges against mass murderers is the single worst solution to any problem I have ever seen offered in a major publication… I award this essay no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Moreover, the Department of Homeland Security has specific guidelines on how to act when one’s life is threatened in a shooting situation. Objective 1 is to evacuate, and if you cannot evacuate, objective 2 is find a hiding place: “If evacuation is not possible, find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find you.” DHS recommends that people take action against an active shooter only as a last resort and when your life is in imminent danger.
It’s only dumb luck, rather than laws, that prevents more mass shootings:
A day before a gunman in Oregon killed eight classmates and his college writing teacher, Tuolumne County sheriff’s detectives foiled a plot by students to go on a shooting rampage at their high school near Yosemite National Park, authorities said.
The Summerville Union High School students, all male, had detailed plans that “included names of would-be victims, locations, methods in which the plan was to be carried out,” Sheriff Jim Mele told reporters at a news conference Saturday. The targets included other students and faculty members.
The boys confessed, Mele said, according to the Modesto Bee and KCRA-TV Channel 3. Three were arrested Wednesday and a fourth detained Friday on suspicion of conspiracy to commit assault with deadly weapons, a statement provided by the sheriff’s office said.
“They were going to come on campus and shoot and kill as many people as possible at the campus,” Mele told the Bee.
The suspects were overheard by other students talking about their plans. Detectives later found evidence that the suspects planned to act during an upcoming campus event, the news organizations reported.
“Students noticed suspicious activity, and … they felt uneasy enough to go to staff,” the sheriff said in televised remarks.
The names of the suspects were not released because they are juveniles.
No weapons were found by detectives, but the students were planning to obtain them, the news organizations reported. No specific motive was disclosed.
The high school serves students in Tuolumne, about three hours east of San Francisco.
I was going to write a post about mental health and gun control, but I see that Hillary Clinton just came out with a plan, so I’m going to talk about that as well. First, the Clinton plan:
Fight for comprehensive background checks.
Advocate for comprehensive federal background check legislation.
Close the “Charleston Loophole.”
Tighten the gun show and Internet sales loophole if Congress won’t.
The first bullet point is meaningless.
The second is concrete and is common-sensical. The “Charleston loophole” is what made the Charleston shooter able to obtain a gun legally. He had a federal criminal record, but the background check was not completed in three days. If that happens, you get the keep the gun. Which is stupid. Close the loophole and make it a law that you can’t get the gun until the background check is complete. (It seems to me this is smart from a homeland security standpoint as well).
The third also is sensical. Require background checks when the gun is bought on the internet or at gun shows. Clinton’s wording seems to suggest that this can be done without Congressional approval. If that is so, I think it would have been done by now.
Hold dealers and manufacturers fully accountable if they endanger Americans.
Repeal the gun industry’s unique immunity protection.
Revoke the licenses of bad-actor dealers.
The NRA lobbied Congress to pass the so-called “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a law which prevents victims of gun violence from holding negligent manufacturers and dealers accountable for violence perpetrated with their guns. It is very odd. If we can hold cigarette manufacturers responsible, why not gun manufacturers? This isn’t a second amendment issue either. It is not a ban. Having the right to make guns does not mean you are immune from the legal consequences.
Presumably, we all already revoking the licenses of bad-actor dealers. Clinton says we need to be more vigilant. Fine.
Keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers, other violent criminals, and the severely mentally ill.
Support legislation to prohibit all domestic abusers from buying and possessing guns.
Make straw purchasing a federal crime.
Improve existing law prohibiting persons suffering from severe mental illness from purchasing or possessing a gun.
Keep military-style weapons off our streets.
More obvious solutions, although somewhat vague in the third bullet point, which is what I wanted to address.
I think we’re talking about a reductionist link between mental health and mass shootings that is too simplistic. Most mentally ill persons are more likely to be victims of crime, not perpetrators. The common post-shooting cry that more resources should go toward dealing with mental illness misses the point. So many factors seem to go into mass shootings—age, alcohol and drug use, social isolation, the availability of guns, whether the shooter knows the victims (usually they do) and mental illness—that the problem needs to be addressed in its totality.
In fact, if I were to guess, I think social isolation and age (and certainly gender) are more relevant factors than mental illness. And I’m not sure what mental illness MEANS in this context.
Mental retardation, sure. Mental illness which manifests itself with violent tendencies and a history of assaultive behavior, sure. Those are obvious. But I don’t think that net is big enough to have captured the Oregon shooter, the Charleston shooter, or the Columbine shooters, to name a few.
So do you cast a wider net? Do you include people with schizophrenia? Bipolar disorder? Other major mental and emotional illnesses, even if they don’t include violence?
Maybe, but sometimes people with those kinds of mental illness can control them with drugs and behavioral therapy. What do you do, for example, with someone who was diagnosed as schizophrenic in his teens, but is now in his 60s and has gone 5 decades without any incident?
What about depression? Social anxiety? These are mental illnesses found in the DSM-V, that are often temporal in nature. Are you going to deny guns to ANYONE who has EVER been depressed? What about PTSD which happens to crime victims and one-third of all soldiers who served in combat (try taking guns away from THAT group)?
And how do you find out about peoples’ mental and emotional illnesses anyway? Will private medical and psychiatric records be made available to the government?
In other words, other than the most obvious examples (people committed to long-term mental hospitals), a “mental illness” approach to reducing gun deaths and suicides is not only impractical, but ineffective. Violent tendencies (as shown by domestic abuse complaints, and violent crimes) are a better predictor, and our focus should be on that.
First, we need to comprehend the scale of the problem: It’s not just occasional mass shootings like the one at an Oregon college on Thursday, but a continuous deluge of gun deaths, an average of 92 every day in America. Since 1970, more Americans have died from guns than died in all U.S. wars going back to the American Revolution.
When I reported a similar figure in the past, gun lobbyists insisted that it couldn’t possibly be true. But the numbers are unarguable: fewer than 1.4 million war deaths since 1775, more than half in the Civil War, versus about 1.45 million gun deathssince 1970 (including suicides, murders and accidents).
If that doesn’t make you flinch, consider this: In America, more preschoolers are shot dead each year (82 in 2013) than police officers are in the line of duty (27 in 2013), according to figures from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI.
More than 60 percent of gun deaths are suicides, and most of the rest are homicides. Gun enthusiasts scoff at including suicides, saying that without guns people would kill themselves by other means. In many cases, though, that’s not true.
In Great Britain, people used to kill themselves by putting their heads in the oven and asphyxiating themselves with coal gas. This accounted for almost half of British suicides in the late 1950s, but Britain then began switching from coal gas to natural gas, which is much less lethal. Sticking one’s head in the oven was no longer a reliable way to kill oneself — and there was surprisingly little substitution of other methods. Suicide rates dropped, and they stayed at a lower level.
The British didn’t ban ovens, but they made them safer. We need to do the same with guns.
When I tweeted about the need to address gun violence after college shooting in the Roseburg, Ore., a man named Bob pushed back. “Check out car accident deaths,” he tweeted sarcastically. “Guess we should ban cars.”
Actually, cars exemplify the public health approach we need to apply to guns. We don’t ban cars, but we do require driver’s licenses, seatbelts, airbags, padded dashboards, safety glass and collapsible steering columns. And we’ve reduced the auto fatality rate by 95 percent.
One problem is that the gun lobby has largely blocked research on making guns safer. Between 1973 and 2012, the National Institutes of Health awarded 89 grants for the study of rabies and 212 for cholera — and only three for firearms injuries.
Daniel Webster, a public health expert at Johns Hopkins University, notes that in 1999, the government listed the gun stores that had sold the most weapons later linked to crimes. The gun store at the top of the list was so embarrassed that it voluntarily took measures to reduce its use by criminals — and the rate at which new guns from the store were diverted to crime dropped 77 percent.
But in 2003, Congress barred the government from publishing such information.
Why is Congress enabling pipelines of guns to criminals?
Public health experts cite many ways we could live more safely with guns, and many of them have broad popular support.
A poll this year found that majorities even of gun-owners favor universal background checks; tighter regulation of gun dealers; safe storage requirements in homes; and a 10-year prohibition on possessing guns for anyone convicted of domestic violence, assault or similar offenses.
We should also be investing in “smart gun” technology, such as weapons that fire only with a PIN or fingerprint. We should adopt microstamping that allows a bullet casing to be traced back to a particular gun. We can require liability insurance for guns, as we do for cars.
It’s not clear that these steps would have prevented the Oregon shooting. But Professor Webster argues that smarter gun policies could reduce murder rates by up to 50 percent — and that’s thousands of lives a year. Right now, the passivity of politicians is simply enabling shooters.
The gun lobby argues that the problem isn’t firearms; it’s crazy people. Yes, America’s mental health system is a disgrace. But to me, it seems that we’re all crazy if we as a country can’t take modest steps to reduce the carnage that leaves America resembling a battlefield.